Paul Warne

[Ambitious]

5 minutes ago, RodleyRam said:

Okay, I'll be that guy...

Were we terrible tonight?! I don't think so. To my eye we looked the better team and should have won. Not inspiring by any stretch but still the better side with more than enough opportunities to take 3 points.

On Saturday at Barnsley we were equal to them.

I accept we play a fairly pragmatic brand of football under Warne, it's not my idea of entertaining football but not every dropped point has to be used as a stick to beat him with. It's league 1 in the winter, it's going to be ugly at times. 

Some people's expectations feel unrealistic given all the circumstances. We are not going to win every game playing total football. People calling for him to be sacked whilst we're second in the league or because their crystal ball says we'll be crap in the championship is frankly bizarre!

I agree that he has to stop tinkering with 3 at the back and stick with some version of 4-3-3 but I don't see that as the primary reason we lost tonight.

We are still second, it is still all to play for. 

Tin hat on.

Pragmatic is a choice word that a lot of people use, but by very definition I find it is actually synonym for how Warne approaches football strategically.

Pragmatic, to me, would be more Rosenior - with Cashin playing 140-odd passes backwards and sideways, attempting to move players out of position. Safe, controlled, usually with limited risk. 

Warne beats the drum of chaos, nothing about how we approach games is controlled and therefore can’t at all be described as pragmatic. 

[The Running Man]

I've switched opinions after this game. Something needs to change:

It's too late in the season to change the players. The manager wont change the tactics, so it's time to change the manager.

 

We're walking into another season in League 1 and I think everyone can see it. If there's people out there who think that's acceptable then I'm not going to argue with them, but just state my opinion: I can't see us gong anywhere like this. We're second by virtue of Barnsley and Boltons inadequacies, not our own strength.

[The Key Club King]

22 minutes ago, Jram said:

Don’t be silly. We’ve played well in lots of games. Lots of teams have had periods of poor form. Everyone raved about Portsmouth- they were naff over Xmas. Everyone raved about Peterborough- they’ve dropped off the face of the earth.

Both Derby and Bolton are currently in a mini slump. Not the end of the world. All will look rosy again on Saturday when we batter Port Vale 

Ah, I've fallen for that logic before I'm afraid. We think we are in a mini slump, when in fact we were in a mini-period of success and the slump is the normal state of affairs. Gets me every year!

[Ghost of Clough]

1 hour ago, Rambam said:

The man is frightened of his own shadow. Why did Gayle get subbed? 

Because it was his first start since November?

1 hour ago, Grumpy Git said:

Can't defend that.

Smith substitution was madness.

Because it was also his first start since November?

6 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

I know of 1 first team player who was, allegedly, far from complementary about Warne when out drinking with someone I know recently.

Assuming that's true, it shows that some of the players must think similar things too.

I know 1 player was very unsettled at the start of the season. 

I get the impression Warne has his favourites. Anyone else is dropped quickly when one of his favourites is available again, despite how they may have been performing. I think it would be reasonable to understand a player being upset if they felt they were wrongfully dropped or not given a fair chance.

We have Ward amd Fornah who are seemingly being frozen out of the squad. Thompson impressed in pre-season but was reluctantly put into midfield at the start of the season "because there wasn't anyone else", and appears to be back in the same situation now. Sibley still needs to make an impact in back to back games to stay in the team, and now isn't even fancied at LB over a CB. Barkhuizen likewise- only 1 start all month, despite scoring 4 and assisting 3 in 8 ganes when given a consistent run of starts in December and January.

[Ram-Alf]

3 minutes ago, Jram said:

I think he’s mentioned that we have more to give but I think it’s a bit disingenuous to suggest Paul Warne thinks we have played badly all season. I think your struggle to find a manager who would willingly say “that is the best we can be” they’re always gonna waffle on about having more gears 

 

No Paul Warne is being quoted as saying..."we've not played well all season", That's not being disingenuous it's his words not mine, There's no mention of him saying we've played badly all season or myself for that matter.

 

[valakari]

Rubbish football, no gameplan..

[DCFC Kicks]

6 minutes ago, cannable said:

There are four ways five-at-the-back works.

You use it if your midfield is poor but you have ball-playing centre-halves - so your defenders are keeping the ball.

You use it if you have underlapping wide centre-halves. 

You use it in a one off match in which you know you’re soaking up loads of pressure.

Or you use it if you have an insane sweeper. 

We’re none of these.

5 at the back formations are generally simpler and less sophisticated than others. They are also out of date, and have been for about 6/7 years when Conte was using it at Chelsea and Wilder was at Sheff Utd. The only teams that use to some level of success now are Wolves and Brentford, and they use it mainly to counter-attack given the opposition they usually play.

[Tamworthram]

23 minutes ago, RodleyRam said:

Okay, I'll be that guy...

Were we terrible tonight?! I don't think so. To my eye we looked the better team and should have won. Not inspiring by any stretch but still the better side with more than enough opportunities to take 3 points.

On Saturday at Barnsley we were equal to them.

I accept we play a fairly pragmatic brand of football under Warne, it's not my idea of entertaining football but not every dropped point has to be used as a stick to beat him with. It's league 1 in the winter, it's going to be ugly at times. 

Some people's expectations feel unrealistic given all the circumstances. We are not going to win every game playing total football. People calling for him to be sacked whilst we're second in the league or because their crystal ball says we'll be crap in the championship is frankly bizarre!

I agree that he has to stop tinkering with 3 at the back and stick with some version of 4-3-3 but I don't see that as the primary reason we lost tonight.

We are still second, it is still all to play for. 

Tin hat on.

I agree that on Saturday we were pretty much the equal of Barnsley but I have to disagree about tonight. Yes we were terrible. We may have been the better team (marginally) but that doesn't mean we were any good. I'm not sure I can bring myself to watch the "highlights" but I don't recall "more than enough chances to take 3 points". Even the shots/headers on target were pretty tame affairs (apart from the goal of course) and I don't remember their keeper having to make any serious saves.

I certainly don't expect us to win every game but, be honest, how many times have we looked decent this season - even most of the games we have won we have failed to impress? Peterborough away for half an hour, Oxford in the second half, Northampton in the first half. There may be more but I struggling.

I'm also not calling for PW to be sacked. I haven't all season but, he really needs to get this group of players performing better. Of course they need to step up their performances as well. You can't blame the manager, his team selection or his tactics entirely for the poor ball control, decision making, passing, errors, ability/desire to win second balls etc.

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

11 points dropped from winning positions in this calendar year so far, and it's only February.

Tactical cowardice from Warne is the main reason as far as I'm concerned.

[rammieib]

45 minutes ago, RodleyRam said:

Okay, I'll be that guy...

Were we terrible tonight?! I don't think so. To my eye we looked the better team and should have won. Not inspiring by any stretch but still the better side with more than enough opportunities to take 3 points.

On Saturday at Barnsley we were equal to them.

I accept we play a fairly pragmatic brand of football under Warne, it's not my idea of entertaining football but not every dropped point has to be used as a stick to beat him with. It's league 1 in the winter, it's going to be ugly at times. 

Some people's expectations feel unrealistic given all the circumstances. We are not going to win every game playing total football. People calling for him to be sacked whilst we're second in the league or because their crystal ball says we'll be crap in the championship is frankly bizarre!

I agree that he has to stop tinkering with 3 at the back and stick with some version of 4-3-3 but I don't see that as the primary reason we lost tonight.

We are still second, it is still all to play for. 

Tin hat on.

In my opinion, that only goes to show how low your expectations have dropped.

Tonight was all about head tennis. How far can we head the ball. Not a single player, bar Bird but even he was guilt a lot, tried to play any element of football. 

Not a single time in the many many times of head tennis, was Warne in his technical area telling them to get the ball down.

This pathetic brand of football, Lump it high, get a free kick anywhere put it in the mixer, etc is his comfort zone.

Good players have lost the ability to play because Warne doesn’t want them to. Now confidence to play football has gone.

Its depressing. I actually care very little now. Even if we go up, we will 100% be in a relegation battle.

We lost our manager who would have delivered us good football. Now we are left with diabolical football, poor off the field strategy and a 15% hike in ST prices.

If we don’t go up, watch 3000 drop off the gate easily.

Clowes won’t have the balls to get rid of him IMO. It’s actually very sad where we are.

[cannable]

When was the last time we could say a midfielder ran the show?

I’m not talking playing well, I mean conducting the orchestra. 

[Crewton]

12 hours ago, Crewton said:

Yeah, me too. Sad, but uplifting. I hope the team brighten his days.

[BaianoPOTY98]

3 minutes ago, Crewton said:

Ok Crewton brighten my night by giving me some positives on Warnes managing capabilities and Barkers coaching cos I’m all ears 🤦‍♀️

[Crewton]

1 minute ago, BaianoPOTY98 said:

Ok Crewton brighten my night by giving me some positives on Warnes managing capabilities and Barkers coaching cos I’m all ears 🤦‍♀️

Well, we're still in 2nd place and that doesn't happen completely by accident. I just hope they know how we got there and go back to those basics.

[RodleyRam]

1 hour ago, Ambitious said:

Pragmatic is a choice word that a lot of people use, but by very definition I find it is actually synonym for how Warne approaches football strategically.

Pragmatic, to me, would be more Rosenior - with Cashin playing 140-odd passes backwards and sideways, attempting to move players out of position. Safe, controlled, usually with limited risk. 

Warne beats the drum of chaos, nothing about how we approach games is controlled and therefore can’t at all be described as pragmatic. 

Last season I would agree with you regarding the chaos, there seemed little plan other than run about a lot. Loads of gaping holes and no plan other than give it to Didzy.

This season I completely agree with others, we've not played well consistently in a way that I would want to see us play, it's been mostly percentages. More often than not though, we've looked more solid and less chaotic. We have find ways to win by changing things up to suit situations.

Don't want anyone to misunderstand me, I am not enjoying it but the primary objective is get out of the league and we're broadly on track.

That's why I say pragmatic. We've delivered functional performances relatively consistently to accumulate enough points.

Whether that works long term remains to be seen. If we get promoted I can see us grinding it out sufficiently well to stay in the championship. Will it be pretty? Probably not but again I would think it would be enough to accumulate enough points to stay up.

There's loads and loads I want to see us doing differently/better but on the primary objective of getting out of the league it's difficult to argue he's not fulfilling the brief at this point.

If we don't get promoted then I think we need to think very seriously about the longer term plan and whether Warne is the right man to rebuild and take on that project.

The main objection I have is people clamouring for his removal at this point.

[RodleyRam]

59 minutes ago, rammieib said:

In my opinion, that only goes to show how low your expectations have dropped.

Tonight was all about head tennis. How far can we head the ball. Not a single player, bar Bird but even he was guilt a lot, tried to play any element of football. 

Not a single time in the many many times of head tennis, was Warne in his technical area telling them to get the ball down.

This pathetic brand of football, Lump it high, get a free kick anywhere put it in the mixer, etc is his comfort zone.

Good players have lost the ability to play because Warne doesn’t want them to. Now confidence to play football has gone.

Its depressing. I actually care very little now. Even if we go up, we will 100% be in a relegation battle.

We lost our manager who would have delivered us good football. Now we are left with diabolical football, poor off the field strategy and a 15% hike in ST prices.

If we don’t go up, watch 3000 drop off the gate easily.

Clowes won’t have the balls to get rid of him IMO. It’s actually very sad where we are.

All well reasoned points and I don't fundamentally disagree. I share some of the disdain for where we are Vs where I think we could be in terms of having a much more coherent, exciting long term strategy to make this club great again.

However, it wasn't posts like yours I was being provocative about. Moreso posters who rant on with one line negativity exclusively about Warne any time we drop points. Obviously that's their right, I just don't understand the singularity of that line of argument.

I don't think we've played particularly well all season and I keep expecting/hoping it will click but it's difficult to argue that we haven't been effective at accumulating the points we need to challenge for autos.

On that score alone I find it difficult to understand how anyone can call for him to be sacked at this point.

If we don't get promoted then it's a different story and I think we should think very hard about whether he's the right man for the project. As it stands I think we've got to see how it plays out.

[Will Hughes Hair]

1 hour ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

11 points dropped from winning positions in this calendar year so far, and it's only February.

Tactical cowardice from Warne is the main reason as far as I'm concerned.

To be guilty of tactical cowardice surely he’d need to either use tactics or at least demonstrate he was relying on more than one?

[Chris_Martin]

1 hour ago, Crewton said:

Well, we're still in 2nd place and that doesn't happen completely by accident. I just hope they know how we got there and go back to those basics.

you havent actually given any answer there😅

[DB83]

The second half tonight was appalling and pretty much indefensible.

However, to everyone saying “Warne Out”, I ask you: who do you want on the touchline against Port Vale on Saturday instead?? And I don’t just mean “anyone”, or “Bob from down the street”. Who is your actual suggestion for a proper replacement who will improve our performances for the remainder of the season??

[DB83]

2 hours ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

I know of 1 first team player who was, allegedly, far from complementary about Warne when out drinking with someone I know recently.

Assuming that's true, it shows that some of the players must think similar things too.

 

That fact that this individual was out drinking probably indicates why they are not in Paul Warne’s good books.