Pro Warne

[ariotofmyown]

On 28/12/2023 at 06:32, Archied said:

Warne is learning / changing is a bit of an easy get out , there are those who have never bought into the negative warneball barbs thrown out , whether you manage aiming for warneball or roseniorball it all comes down to whether given time you can get it working , there was a point where I was on the cusp of not bothered if warne was let go but I’m sure the anti warne onslaught on here nudged me a bit further in that direction than I would have been if just watching games and no forum time 🤷🏻‍♂️,

I’ve always been ok with the way warne says he wants his teams to play , I prefer that style 

"Warne definitely needs to go as we haven't started the season well and he's also brought in loads of players who are all rubbish."

"Maybe we should give him, and the new players, some time eh?"

(Time passes...)

"Good too see Warne finally learning."

"Possibly as a result of us giving him some time eh?"

[Anag Ram]

3 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said:

We are playing some good stuff at the minute and are in good form, but that doesn't suddenly mean that the first half of the season didn't happen.

Perhaps i'm just somewhat pessimistic but I can't help but feel like we've been here before with this club at this point of the season. It's usually followed by a sub-par January window and then...the dip...

Let's hope we've learnt our lesson(s).

Also; on Warne himself - glad the team, and therefore he, is doing well, but there's just something about his Brentian interviews, his constant digs at supporters and his general communication style that just rubs me the wrong way. Sorry!

We have definitely been critical of him on this forum but the way to endear himself to the fans is to revel in his victories, to feel our happiness and to become a fan.

He can conjure up the team mentality we had under Rooney and Rosenior just by thanking the fans as a whole (there will always be naysayers) and joining in the fun, including the bounce.

 He could yet be loved 😊

[Crewton]

30 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said:

We are playing some good stuff at the minute and are in good form, but that doesn't suddenly mean that the first half of the season didn't happen.

Perhaps i'm just somewhat pessimistic but I can't help but feel like we've been here before with this club at this point of the season. It's usually followed by a sub-par January window and then...the dip...

Let's hope we've learnt our lesson(s).

Also; on Warne himself - glad the team, and therefore he, is doing well, but there's just something about his Brentian interviews, his constant digs at supporters and his general communication style that just rubs me the wrong way. Sorry!

My advice to any fan who feels this way is, unfortunately, rather old-school : grow a thicker skin, it's not like he's calling you out personally infront of the whole fanbase. Brian Clough was forever calling out Derby sections of the fanbase for not loving his team enough. Different times but, honestly, it's not about YOU - unless you want it to be.

[Eatonram]

I won’t lie I hated the way some on here reacted to our slow start. The moaning criticism of our manager from everything to his ability to manage our “bigger club” to the way he talks his interviews his hats his sense of humour was appalling. It became clear and still s from tne underlying resentment about the recent upturn in form that some ( so called ) supporters became so invested in Warne failing that they started to relish a bad result. 

[DiggerB]

45 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

We have definitely been critical of him on this forum but the way to endear himself to the fans is to revel in his victories, to feel our happiness and to become a fan.

He can conjure up the team mentality we had under Rooney and Rosenior just by thanking the fans as a whole (there will always be naysayers) and joining in the fun, including the bounce.

 He could yet be loved 😊

Can’t remember him not thanking the fans for staying with the team, whilst also acknowledging the times they’ve had the right to be unhappy. I don’t mind him having a chip back at the fans after some of the dog’s abuse he’s had on SoMe particularly. He’s a multi-layered character, but I’d rather that than some of the media-trained auto-matrons who spout the usual clichés every Saturday teatime.

[Nuwtfly]

2 hours ago, Anag Ram said:

We have definitely been critical of him on this forum but the way to endear himself to the fans is to revel in his victories, to feel our happiness and to become a fan.

He can conjure up the team mentality we had under Rooney and Rosenior just by thanking the fans as a whole (there will always be naysayers) and joining in the fun, including the bounce.

 He could yet be loved 😊

 

2 hours ago, Crewton said:

My advice to any fan who feels this way is, unfortunately, rather old-school : grow a thicker skin, it's not like he's calling you out personally infront of the whole fanbase. Brian Clough was forever calling out Derby sections of the fanbase for not loving his team enough. Different times but, honestly, it's not about YOU - unless you want it to be.

Fair comments! But to @Crewtoni would just say that, for whatever reason, I just don’t like it - like I said, I hope he does well, but just can’t seem to warm to him. 

[On the Ram Page]

35 minutes ago, DiggerB said:

Can’t remember him not thanking the fans for staying with the team, whilst also acknowledging the times they’ve had the right to be unhappy. I don’t mind him having a chip back at the fans after some of the dog’s abuse he’s had on SoMe particularly. He’s a multi-layered character, but I’d rather that than some of the media-trained auto-matrons who spout the usual clichés every Saturday teatime.

I hope (and am sure he will) stay true to himself. I personally love to hear his views on the team, his honesty and his sense of humour (mainly). He has had all sought of abuse on here, most of it fictitious baloney from so-called fans. People who either want instant success or armchair critics who voice their opinions without any evidence what so ever. People saying he can’t manage in the Championship, should we get there. Not surprised he is wary of some fans, if he is.
 

People forget he is still a relatively young and inexperienced manager, despite already having had 3 promotions (and I know 2 relegations). He is entitled to grow and learn as a manager as most of us do throughout life. He is an intelligent man and I believe he can adapt his management style to whatever circumstances he will find himself in. I could be wrong but sincerely hope not.

More than anything else he is a caring, man manager, despite allegations not long ago, that he had “lost” the dressing room (more made up rubbish!). He wants these same qualities from his players - they showed their togetherness in abundance after our last two wins. He deserves for all these made up views to stop and to have support.
 

This is potentially going to be an extremely difficult transfer window. He will know what he wants to achieve - who he wishes to retain, who he wants to join. Unfortunately, much of it is out of his hands but I hope he has a successful window.

I have little doubt that if we have a little downturn, that some fickle fans will turn against him again, but hope they will keep quiet for the remainder of the season, so that the majority of the club and supporters can get fully behind the team. Everyone need to pull together. If you don’t like listening to him - don’t - just watch and support the team.

[Ewe Ram]

My very own mild mannered brother calls him a rude name. But then my brother is not known for his love of touchy feely management styles. 
personally, I love it when I have a manager who portrays that they like me, they are genuinely interested in me and my life outside work. Managers who don’t acknowledge you have a life outside the day job are never going to get the best out of me. 
I like Paul Warne, as a person, I think he’s a decent guy. 

[sage]

2 hours ago, Eatonram said:

I won’t lie I hated the way some on here reacted to our slow start. The moaning criticism of our manager from everything to his ability to manage our “bigger club” to the way he talks his interviews his hats his sense of humour was appalling. It became clear and still s from tne underlying resentment about the recent upturn in form that some ( so called ) supporters became so invested in Warne failing that they started to relish a bad result. 

Could you give some examples. I'd be amazed if you found more than 2 people on here.

[Jimbo Ram]

5 hours ago, Nuwtfly said:

We are playing some good stuff at the minute and are in good form, but that doesn't suddenly mean that the first half of the season didn't happen.

Perhaps i'm just somewhat pessimistic but I can't help but feel like we've been here before with this club at this point of the season. It's usually followed by a sub-par January window and then...the dip...

Let's hope we've learnt our lesson(s).

Also; on Warne himself - glad the team, and therefore he, is doing well, but there's just something about his Brentian interviews, his constant digs at supporters and his general communication style that just rubs me the wrong way. Sorry!

You might be right, but my gripe was more with the style of play and some turgid performances. Not only have results improved but we are now playing some decent football. Long may it continue 😊🐏

[Rich3478]

1 hour ago, sage said:

Could you give some examples. I'd be amazed if you found more than 2 people on here.

Yeah, think if the last eight/ nine games shown anything it’s that we all want derby to succeed. I’m so happy to be proved wrong on my opinion of warne, long may it continue. 

[Chester40]

2 hours ago, sage said:

Could you give some examples. I'd be amazed if you found more than 2 people on here.

Depends what you mean...there were a lot of people who 'appeared' quite gleeful to jump on any defeat and massively exaggerate the issues. My particular gripe was that the matchday threads were not representative of the game I was watching such was the desire to hammer him.

I'd guess from recall there were a only a couple who eg explicitly said they wouldn't mind losing the next game if it meant he'd leave. How many more got some 'pleasure' from being proved right about their negative pre-match assessment is quite hard to count but the amount of times and hyperbole they used to do so was tiring and unnecessary. 

 

Edited December 30, 2023 by Chester40

[RadioactiveWaste]

Just on Warne's interviews, it strikes me that he's never really had to deal with fans whodidn't feel connected to him and his team.

Given his personna where it's pretty easy to read him like a book and he's not giving just "manager answers", you're getting what Paul Warne thinks at that moment, it's something he's going to have to learn to just be a bi more reserved about, it's not like he's having a massive go at fans so much as coming off a bit defensive and "it's unfair, we worked really hard at this".

 

[sage]

19 minutes ago, Chester40 said:

Depends what you mean...there were a lot of people who 'appeared' quite gleeful to jump on any defeat and massively exaggerate the issues. My particular gripe was that the matchday threads were not representative of the game I was watching such was the desire to hammer him.

I'd guess from recall there were a only a couple who eg explicitly said they wouldn't mind losing the next game if it meant he'd leave. How many more got some 'pleasure' from being proved right about their negative pre-match assessment is quite hard to count but the amount of times and hyperbole they used to do so was tiring and unnecessary. 

 

So people disagreed with you.

Ok

[BOB BIGGS]

Good to see Nigel Clough letting his views be known about a few Mansfield “supporters” who were moaning during yesterday’s draw against Doncaster. He wondered what more they wanted, having gone from second from the bottom to second from the top in 2 years. He wondered why they weren’t supporting the players when they needed it most.

I suppose all Clubs have followers like this. They love to criticise but seldom put forward alternative constructive ideas for fear of being found to be wrong at a later stage. We’ve a few like that. Happily keeping a low profile at present but probably waiting for a chance - a few polls on the same subject again perhaps😀😀

[Chester40]

3 minutes ago, sage said:

So people disagreed with you.

Ok

Not really.

They repeatedly ranted om and on about how ridiculous it was he was being given another chance, that he had no clue, wouldn't win games, shouted down anyone who suggested patience.

They were wrong. Fortunately we got to see how wrong.

Doesn't mean we will walk the league or that he won't be at risk at some point. But some of the vitriol and impatience was embarrassing especially given some of our recent history.

[sage]

2 minutes ago, Chester40 said:

Not really.

They repeatedly ranted om and on about how ridiculous it was he was being given another chance, that he had no clue, wouldn't win games, shouted down anyone who suggested patience.

They were wrong. Fortunately we got to see how wrong.

Doesn't mean we will walk the league or that he won't be at risk at some point. But some of the vitriol and impatience was embarrassing especially given some of our recent history.

Thank God no one is being shouted down now

[Inverurie Ram]

8 hours ago, Ewe Ram said:

It feel safe to come back and browse again. The members hammering home their point about Warne needing to be out were making the forum horrible. 

 

[Inverurie Ram]

Lot of riff raff hanging about in this thread recently, get back in your Warne Out Out Thread!!! 😂

“Are you Bolton in disguise?”………….

Max & Paddy are now on the door of this thread, so get back on your bus!

 

[Nuwtfly]

1 hour ago, Jimbo Ram said:

You might be right, but my gripe was more with the style of play and some turgid performances. Not only have results improved but we are now playing some decent football. Long may it continue 😊🐏

Absolutely agree - I hope it does!