TheresOnlyWanChope Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: But out of them, the only 2 that I can see that are punishments meted out due to entering administration, are the point deduction and the EFL business plan. Had we gone into administration and theoretically come out of it 1 week later, we could potentially be sitting very pretty right now. Redundancies are often involved in insolvency and staff uncertainly and anxiety are almost always a factor of administration. And that’s theoretical, it’s just lucky Derby were rescued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Unable to sign players. Lost Marshall, Shinnie, Jagielka, Jozwiak, Baldock, Plange and Williams. Unable to offer contract extensions, losing Festy and Ebiowei as a result, as well as losing out on higher transfer fees for other players. Lets be honest, not signing players whilst in administration is not really a punishment, why would you be incurring transfer fees/wages whilst unable to pay your debts? Was being unable to offer contract extensions directly related to being in administration? I thought that was previously imposed re the Jack Marriott situation? Losing the young players was the decision of the administrators, not a punishment of being in administration. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, TheresOnlyWanChope said: Redundancies are often involved in insolvency and staff uncertainly and anxiety are almost always a factor of administration. And that’s theoretical, it’s just lucky Derby were rescued. But as I said, if we had a back door deal agreed to buy us straight out of administration these would have been avoided, and the only punishments would have been the 12 point deduction and an agreed business plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Spalding Ram Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Pinched from the BBC news website Sept 2021. “Twenty people have lost their jobs at Derby County as administrators begin cutting costs at the Championship club.” Administration “no real downside”…………..think there’s at least 20 who’d disagree with you Mr Owl. Steve How Hard? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said: Lets be honest, not signing players whilst in administration is not really a punishment, why would you be incurring transfer fees/wages whilst unable to pay your debts? Was being unable to offer contract extensions directly related to being in administration? I thought that was previously imposed re the Jack Marriott situation? Losing the young players was the decision of the administrators, not a punishment of being in administration. The guy from sheffield wednesday was arguing that there was no consequences to us going into administration. Losing valuable assets for a fraction of their worth is definitely a severe consequence. We had to sell a lot of players cheap just to keep the lights on. Again this is a consequence of administration. The administrators signing it off is completely irrelevant. We were under embargo because off the ffp issues and non submission of accounts. It wasnt caused by Marriot. It was then extended when we were in administration. You are right that it would be stupid to allow us to sign more players when we couldnt pay the ones we already had, but that doesnt change the fact that this happened because we were in administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, GenBr said: The guy from sheffield wednesday was arguing that there was no consequences to us going into administration. Losing valuable assets for a fraction of their worth is definitely a severe consequence. We had to sell a lot of players cheap just to keep the lights on. Again this is a consequence of administration. The administrators signing it off is completely irrelevant. We were under embargo because off the ffp issues and non submission of accounts. It wasnt caused by Marriot. It was then extended when we were in administration. You are right that it would be stupid to allow us to sign more players when we couldnt pay the ones we already had, but that doesnt change the fact that this happened because we were in administration. But as I've asked, what are the direct punishments of administration? 12 point deduction and business plan? Everything else is a byproduct of not leaving administration in a timely manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 sage, angieram, TF Ram and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rammy03 said: I can tell him what's happened. He's misread the situation. Rammy03 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 The lobotomy is strong in this one DavesaRam, Ram-Alf, Dordogne-Ram and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Luton, Rotherham, bigger clubs? Lol There’s no arguing with that level of stupid. Rammy03 and Dordogne-Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, StaffsRam said: Luton, Rotherham, bigger clubs? Lol There’s no arguing with that level of stupid. I rather suspect he was trying to be funny. Like singing to supporters of club X being in the shadow of club Y (their local rivals) when clearly club X is bigger than club Y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 40 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: The lobotomy is strong in this one Another Leeds fan who doesn't know his own club's history Premier ram and Gee SCREAMER !! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwram1973 Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 3 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Lets be honest, not signing players whilst in administration is not really a punishment, why would you be incurring transfer fees/wages whilst unable to pay your debts? Was being unable to offer contract extensions directly related to being in administration? I thought that was previously imposed re the Jack Marriott situation? Losing the young players was the decision of the administrators, not a punishment of being in administration. You sound like you wanted us to be punished, whatever MM done Breaching FFP and going into admin collectively saw us lose 90% ish of our squad and also saw staff members lose their jobs. So yes, going into admin has cost us, whether that's losing players by not being able to offer contracts, losing our youngsters because we needed to bring money in, blaming the administrators for those decisions is daft, they had to do it to bring money in BECAUSE we were in admin. If they didn't, that would have seen us go under. But you are well within your rights to agree with other fans who think we should have been punished more. Top fan ? GenBr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: The lobotomy is strong in this one Comrade 86, Ambitious, Gee SCREAMER !! and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 3 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: But as I've asked, what are the direct punishments of administration? 12 point deduction and business plan? Everything else is a byproduct of not leaving administration in a timely manner. Yes but the discussion was whether or not there were any consequences for going into administration, because the wednesday fan suggested there was not. Obviously there were and you appeared to be trying to make out that there were no consequences for some reason. The punishments set by the EFL were the points deduction, the embargo and the business plan, but that is not the only negative consequence of going into administration as the Wednesday fan suggested. mwram1973 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 It always amazes me the level of discussion that goes on due to 1 insignificant fans thoughts on a different forum. Does anyone actually care what they think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: It always amazes me the level of discussion that goes on due to 1 insignificant fans thoughts on a different forum. Does anyone actually care what they think? Nope!, But it's fun reading their in-depth knowledge concerning our "cheating" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 4 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Lets be honest, not signing players whilst in administration is not really a punishment, why would you be incurring transfer fees/wages whilst unable to pay your debts? Was being unable to offer contract extensions directly related to being in administration? I thought that was previously imposed re the Jack Marriott situation? Losing the young players was the decision of the administrators, not a punishment of being in administration. The direct punishment for entering administration is 12 points and an agreed business plan upon exit. The restrictions put on a club in administration (contract renewals, sales, etc) are indirect punishments. It's undeniable that the club was punished by not being able to renew contracts. Jagielka being an obvious example. G STAR RAM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 20 hours ago, angieram said: Here's a few more. Birmingham City fans at Burton today. I take this a compliment. I don't care about Birmingham enough to pay attention to anything that happens to them, let alone start a chant about them. Gritstone Ram, S6 boy, Rammy03 and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Crewton said: Another Leeds fan who doesn't know his own club's history Well onw we have biggest fans in efl and prem club towards top 10. And secondly derby are not cheat we are out of admin so get freaking use to it. That's what I would tell him Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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