Addingham Ram Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 With the news that CK's takeover is getting ever closer, how do you think we would be perceived by other clubs next season, especially if we avoid any further point deductions? I'm sure I am not alone in thinking that the general perception of Derby County in other supporters eyes could shift quite dramatically. This year I have sensed a general feeling of sympathy from other clubs supporters (aside from the obvious Forest and Leeds fans), especially those whose club have been through hard times of their own. However, if the takeover does get over the line, if we start on a level playing field, and if we gel into a League One force, I do feel that we could be seen as having gotten rid of all of our (massive) debts, and got off lightly. Much of the sympathy for our plight this season may well start to wane. There are previous examples, Leicester being the obvious one. They went into administration, came out of it in probably a much better financial position, then went on to achieve the impossible. A lot of fans despised Leicester for a long time, some still do. Nobody knows what will happen next season, and I certainly would love an immediate bounce back to the Championship, but I do fear it would make us public enemy number one. Many Derby fans won't care, but if we think we are going to have a clean slate, and continue to be many people'ssecond team, it might not be as plain sailing as we think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Genuinely couldn’t give a toss….. David Graham Brown, LeedsRam1999, Carnero and 42 others 28 15 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addingham Ram Posted May 17, 2022 Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Gaspode said: Genuinely couldn’t give a toss….. Fair enough. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Sod them all. Derby is my club and I really couldn't give a toss how others think about us. LeedsCityRam, Alph, Rammy03 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FindernRam Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Other team fans are as illogical about us as we are to them so who cares what they think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 After re-reading this post I genuinely don't understand the point of it - seems to ramble and range across a wide span of topics and themes. Guess what I mean is be more concise then folks might be able to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewe Ram Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Well I understood your post. Yes, it still rankles that Leicester went out of business and rose again having left businesses skint, but to me it was more that Lineker was involved and seemed to gloat. I don’t know if people will think that about Derby, it’s not something we could have done anything about as fans. Like some fans have felt dreadful for us and some have laughed, I suppose the reaction will be mixed. David Graham Brown and Phoenix 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addingham Ram Posted May 17, 2022 Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: After re-reading this post I genuinely don't understand the point of it - seems to ramble and range across a wide span of topics and themes. Guess what I mean is be more concise then folks might be able to answer. I guess what I'm saying is next season, there is every chance we will be universally despised, with other clubs fans thinking we've got off lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Just now, Addingham Ram said: I guess what I'm saying is next season, there is every chance we will be universally despised, with other clubs fans thinking we've got off lightly. What do you classify as getting off lightly? You mention Leicester in your post to compare and contrast with us entering administration I assume but they weren't docked any points at all. David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 24 minutes ago, Addingham Ram said: With the news that CK's takeover is getting ever closer, how do you think we would be perceived by other clubs next season, especially if we avoid any further point deductions? I'm sure I am not alone in thinking that the general perception of Derby County in other supporters eyes could shift quite dramatically. This year I have sensed a general feeling of sympathy from other clubs supporters (aside from the obvious Forest and Leeds fans), especially those whose club have been through hard times of their own. However, if the takeover does get over the line, if we start on a level playing field, and if we gel into a League One force, I do feel that we could be seen as having gotten rid of all of our (massive) debts, and got off lightly. Much of the sympathy for our plight this season may well start to wane. There are previous examples, Leicester being the obvious one. They went into administration, came out of it in probably a much better financial position, then went on to achieve the impossible. A lot of fans despised Leicester for a long time, some still do. Nobody knows what will happen next season, and I certainly would love an immediate bounce back to the Championship, but I do fear it would make us public enemy number one. Many Derby fans won't care, but if we think we are going to have a clean slate, and continue to be many people'ssecond team, it might not be as plain sailing as we think. The quality of people who openly despise us means it's of little relevance. Lets hope they add Reading, Stoke, Boro with their tax bill, all those who write of massive sums with loss covering share issue and interchanging players between clubs for FFP purposes to the list . Hope they all enjoy self flagellating themselves because it's all of them. DesertRam, Kathcairns, David Graham Brown and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBB Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Do we need to have a sign in or outside the ground listing everything thst has happened since we "got off easy" off the top of my head 1. Docked 21 points 2. Relegated 3. Transfer embargo for God knows how long 4. Limited wages allowed 5. No loans allowed 6. No contract renewals allowed 7. Sold shinnie for 30k 8. Sold multiple first team players for peanuts 9. Sold multiple youth team players for peanuts 10. Sold sell on options on youth players previously Sold for peanuts 11. Staff lost jobs 12. Coaching staff lost jobs 13. Recruitment team lost jobs 14. Regular staff lost jobs This isn't a feel sorry for us, because it's our own fault. But to say we got off without punishment? kevinhectoring, David Graham Brown, 1977 Ram Raider and 15 others 4 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, Addingham Ram said: With the news that CK's takeover is getting ever closer, how do you think we would be perceived by other clubs next season, especially if we avoid any further point deductions? I'm sure I am not alone in thinking that the general perception of Derby County in other supporters eyes could shift quite dramatically. This year I have sensed a general feeling of sympathy from other clubs supporters (aside from the obvious Forest and Leeds fans), especially those whose club have been through hard times of their own. However, if the takeover does get over the line, if we start on a level playing field, and if we gel into a League One force, I do feel that we could be seen as having gotten rid of all of our (massive) debts, and got off lightly. Much of the sympathy for our plight this season may well start to wane. There are previous examples, Leicester being the obvious one. They went into administration, came out of it in probably a much better financial position, then went on to achieve the impossible. A lot of fans despised Leicester for a long time, some still do. Nobody knows what will happen next season, and I certainly would love an immediate bounce back to the Championship, but I do fear it would make us public enemy number one. Many Derby fans won't care, but if we think we are going to have a clean slate, and continue to be many people'ssecond team, it might not be as plain sailing as we think. If you think we have had sympathy from other fans I presume you don’t go to away games, apart from Blackpool it was pretty toxic. David Graham Brown and Kathcairns 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksRam Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 I get your post but tbh I don't care. Leicester's situation was different to us too. We've had enough poo said about us to last a lifetime. Water off a ram's back now. When we start in L1 we'll be the team they want to beat, not because we got off lightly or anything, but simply because we'll be one of, if not the biggest clubs in the league and probably be seen as most team's cup final, especially at PP where there'll likely be 20k plus fans. David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Got off lightly? Years of embargoes culminating in admin, points deductions, asset stripping, relegation and almost liquidation. Just think, if we hadn’t stayed up on the last day of last season, the club would have died IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksRam Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, KBB said: Do we need to have a sign in or outside the ground listing everything thst has happened since we "got off easy" off the top of my head 1. Docked 21 points 2. Relegated 3. Transfer embargo for God knows how long 4. Limited wages allowed 5. No loans allowed 6. No contract renewals allowed 7. Sold shinnie for 30k 8. Sold multiple first team players for peanuts 9. Sold multiple youth team players for peanuts 10. Sold sell on options on youth players previously Sold for peanuts 11. Staff lost jobs 12. Coaching staff lost jobs 13. Recruitment team lost jobs 14. Regular staff lost jobs This isn't a feel sorry for us, because it's our own fault. But to say we got off without punishment? I'd add a 9a. Forced to accept buy outs of sell on clauses for at least 1/8th of the value they'd be worth in 2 years. David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, KBB said: Do we need to have a sign in or outside the ground listing everything thst has happened since we "got off easy" off the top of my head 1. Docked 21 points 2. Relegated 3. Transfer embargo for God knows how long 4. Limited wages allowed 5. No loans allowed 6. No contract renewals allowed 7. Sold shinnie for 30k 8. Sold multiple first team players for peanuts 9. Sold multiple youth team players for peanuts 10. Sold sell on options on youth players previously Sold for peanuts 11. Staff lost jobs 12. Coaching staff lost jobs 13. Recruitment team lost jobs 14. Regular staff lost jobs This isn't a feel sorry for us, because it's our own fault. But to say we got off without punishment? Plus a £100,000 fine. David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, Addingham Ram said: I guess what I'm saying is next season, there is every chance we will be universally despised, with other clubs fans thinking we've got off lightly. Lightly ? David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 18 minutes ago, Addingham Ram said: I guess what I'm saying is next season, there is every chance we will be universally despised, with other clubs fans thinking we've got off lightly. I really don’t think that will be the case personally. I’m not expecting or believe we’ll get the same level of respect and sympathy that we may have received this season but I don’t think they’ll forget that easily or quickly what we’ve been through. It will be, by and large, just the normal rivalry. If it isn’t, we’ll who cares anyway? David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) This ain't the end of the punishment. The 'business plan' will prevent any true investment in the squad. Apart from total annihilation/expulsion/liquidation/demolition of pride park you'll never get some fans of some clubs to believe we ever had any punishment. At this point I'm not really sure what any further punishment really achieves apart from just pissing off Derby fans (unless collective fan punishment is what they're going for). Everyone responsible has long gone. Edited May 17, 2022 by alexxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRS94 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Gaspode said: Genuinely couldn’t give a toss….. My feelings exactly, duck everyone else almost every club has been signing about derby dying Boycie and David Graham Brown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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