CornwallRam Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Philmycock said: How many points deducting are you accepting? Personally, I think we should push for three figures. We're down anyway. We're getting at least 12 and going to lose lots of players. What we need is to get every possible punishment out of the way this season. As soon as we get to be a normal club again, our size should make us competitive in League 1. It might take a couple of seasons to rebuild, but the sooner we start, the sooner we can begin thinking about promotion. In the meantime, if we can get a world record points deduction, it'll keep our profile up, which will actually help generate income further down the road. ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamUltraRam Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) From previous clubs that have gone into administration, have any ever done it so early in a season ? I would of thought it was normally towards the end or at the end of a season . Thinking about it, maybe Bury did it but then they weren't able to fulfill their fixtures - is that a possibility for us ? Edited September 18, 2021 by SamUltraRam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeram Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, Philmycock said: How many points deducting are you accepting? Does it really matter? We are going down anyway with the mandatory 12 point deduction? Another 9 or so points won't make any difference. David Graham Brown, AndyinLiverpool and Kathcairns 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FindernRam Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 I wouldn't expect anything from a "force Majeure" argument. I believe Watford tried that and were rejected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 minute ago, SamUltraRam said: From previous clubs that have gone into administration, have any ever done it so early in a season ? I would of thought it was normally towards the end or at the end of a season . Thinking about it, maybe Bury did it but then they weren't able to fulfill their fixtures - is that a possibility for us ? What happened to Bury is certainly possible with us, just as it's possible with any club that goes into administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poynton ram Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Paid for season ticket by credit card. Does administration allow me to claim monies back off the credit card company irrespective of whether fixtures are fulfilled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: What we need is to get every possible punishment out of the way this season. Yes. If we do, we might be proud owners of yet another record, lowest ever points total in the PL AND the Championship. Please God don’t let us get the full set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Just now, Poynton ram said: Paid for season ticket by credit card. Does administration allow me to claim monies back off the credit card company irrespective of whether fixtures are fulfilled? Er no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggins Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 @ariotofmyown, my friend. I am so sorry to just read your post. This is an incredibly sad day for all of us, and especially hard for those who are already struggling with the poo life is throwing at them. Keep in contact with us and remember that there are a lot of friends here who are caring and supportive. ❤️ ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 39 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: I suppose the football creditor rule only fully applies if the club exists administration positively. If it leads to liquidation, they would have lost at least a percentage. Yes, that's probably true, but allowing the grant would surely have made that less likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelovebelow Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 40 minutes ago, Big Trav said: Apparently an Efl rule somewhere states that penalties (-12 points) are not applied if the club can prove that there have been ‘unforeseeable or unavoidable events’. And this is why the statement takes no blame but also blames everyone else The statement was very carefully worded. It wasn't an accident covid 19 was mentioned so many times. It also states the club would have been profitable had it not been for covid. All intentional. There is a section in the Efl according to the guardian that mentions special circumstances and administration. A part of me thinks the deal with the investors might still go through and the whole thing is planned. ...Maybe I'm clutching at straws. Desperation does that to a person. David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 hour ago, S8TY said: yes but considering our glorious owner mentioned that figure I don't believe a word he says ...he got us in this mess through bad management from the top....no excuses.....he is the owner yet takes us into admin......a total disgrace and wish he'd never set foot in PP....stick to silly phone games!! I agree with you entirely,i haven't believed a word he has said for a long time but have been shot down in flames when i have said that before. S8TY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Whilst all of this has had MM in charge and oversight of the finances so it sits with him, I acknowledge that Covid has tipped us into Administration the role of the EFL has to be noted as simply disgraceful, simply unhelpful and a dereliction of whatever their duty was supposed to be. and on a personal note I will never be handing any money over to Middlesbrough football club again to watch my Rams and do hope that not a single Rams fan ever does go to that clubs grounds and spend money - Derby4Me and Kathcairns 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 19 minutes ago, oldtimeram said: Does it really matter? We are going down anyway with the mandatory 12 point deduction? Another 9 or so points won't make any difference. I think they will only give us an 11 point deduction after all 11 is our number ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Crewton said: Of course. But I'd like to know what criteria we failed on, wouldn't you? And considering that such a grant would be considered a repayable football debt, I'm not sure what the EFL would have lost by extending it to us. Denying a lifeline to a drowning man purely because he's broken the rules seems to be a particularly obtuse way for a ruling body to protect the health of one of it's members. I appreciate that some people are annoyed with posters who blame the EFL for everything, but blowing them off as a counter-point doesn't seem a balanced approach either. I don't know the full picture and with respect neither do you.We don't really know the amount of debt he has left us in,perhaps,just perhaps with the amount of debt and defaults on wages,transfer instalments the offering of the grant was a further liability which the club couldn't afford and no or little chance of being repaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 2 hours ago, NottsRam77 said: U remember when everyone thought the sun shined out of his ass ? Not everyone. AndyinLiverpool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Woodley Ram said: I think they will only give us an 11 point deduction after all 11 is our number ? I thought 48 was our number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Gaspode said: I thought 48 was our number? we were relegated from the Prem with 11 points were we not. I would love us to overcome this and stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Tamworthram said: when you say “a bunch of passengers” do you mean supporters and is this regurgitation the crazy theory that it’s the fans fault? pretty much and some of the belief in Mel that has been expressed by some despite Mel already crashing us into a damn iceberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 25 minutes ago, oldtimeram said: Does it really matter? We are going down anyway with the mandatory 12 point deduction? Another 9 or so points won't make any difference. It would be better to get all points deducted this season rather than any carried over to next season…. kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong and Kathcairns 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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