Ambitious Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 22 minutes ago, Ted McMinn Football Genius said: What is the point of a meeting such as this if an NDA is in place. Completely pointless if you ask me. We as fans are the beating heart of Derby County as a whole, not as a select few. If indeed this is a meeting restricted by any NDAs and behind smoke and mirrors to the majority of its “Supporters” then I fear ladies and gents we are in a hole much more cavernous than we all first feared. I fear for our club, yet hope my instincts are incorrect… but as we all know “it’s the hope that kills ya” ? Anyone that has had to sign an NDA knows that it's never taken as a sworn affidavit of secrecy. In this situation, I doubt Derby would even be willing to take their own fans to court over things they've said in this meeting, for example. It's just a document that is put in place that, I believe, makes people mindful of something that would be said in meeting, perhaps about the EFL and/or others, that would be inflammatory. Of course, they could just keep a lid on those types of comments and avoid a NDA but as people will be in a mood and I'd imagine a very sour mood then it's just to make sure the club are protected. Everyone knows this meeting is taking place and everyone knows the meeting minutes will be available in the near future. I wouldn't build the NDA up to be something more than it is. Miggins, ariotofmyown, Day and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Just now, Ghost of Clough said: I think we need a banner at the top of the page saying this Ha maybe! In fairness though, I do understand where those that are angry are coming from. When I received the email, I questioned it immediately, looked for assurances, took me by surprise. I asked was it not possible for the meeting to take place without the NDA, and only share information that could be shared. I was given assurances that this would be like any other meeting. It’s just the paperwork side which as I say, protects us and themselves and might not even be called into use. So I signed it and returned. Not entirely comfortably as I knew if this got out we would see the reaction we are seeing now. Shortly after it did, leaked on to Twitter which I am hugely disappointed by as it didn’t give us as a group the opportunity to question it further prior to the meeting tonight. It’s been difficult the past 24hrs as I have been contacted several times, I’ve been careful not to confirm or deny until a conversation had taken place with the club tonight. Feels like I may have lied, however everything I have said is true in that I have been given assurances this will be like another meeting we have been part of several times before now. I do get it though, every Derby fan would love to be in that room tonight, I am very fortunate to be invited due to this forum. It’s good to see calm and understanding heads, I just want us all to be given a chance as scrapping the meeting over this which could potentially happen if all fan groups put pressure on their reps, helps nobody. DarkFruitsRam7, Andrew3000, archram and 4 others 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Curtains said: You don’t think anything will be leaked because of an NDA . Leaked or not. The NDA stops it from being used against us in anything above chinese whispers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, TexasRam said: However I think the NDA should be challenged by every representative as I truly believe every Derby fan has as much right to the detail as the next. Maybe they have. I have told you all I have challenged this, I requested the meeting took place without and I know Punjabi Rams have gone public on Twitter to say they have. Not all groups have an online presence, but we may find out all have challenged it privately and will do further tonight, how I feel it should have been done before causing widespread anger through the fanbase. John Doe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Charlie George said: Interesting point raised by Andy on Twitter to. Interesting misrepresentation of the regulations by Andy on Twitter you mean right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, cheron85 said: Interesting misrepresentation of the regulations by Andy on Twitter you mean right? In what way a misrepresentation, I saw the tweet but don't know the background then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 54 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: Don’t be ridiculous. There are clearly some sensitive subjects that will be discussed at the meeting. I don’t see it as an insult, evidence of contempt or loss of credibility but rather Mel recognising the concern and unease amongst the fans and wants to try to give some comfort. If the best way to do this is to hold such a meeting and then allowing those in attendance to at least report back on how they’re feeling now having heard responses that wouldn’t normally be given - so be it. Assuming Mel doesn’t want to/isn’t allowed to share the answers more widely, what would you prefer? The meeting to be cancelled? Any sensitive questions to be off limits? This is a place is express opinions, the fact you find mine ridiculous is of no concern to me. I don’t believe that @David would expect us to be content with a don’t worry lads feedback. It’s not that there is a trust problem, it is not something he would be happy to do IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: In what way a misrepresentation, I saw the tweet but don't know the background then? The regulations specifically set out how fans are to be represented at these forums - It doesn't say EVERY fan needs to be invited but that fans should be represented - Which is exactly what's happening He's choosing to ignore that in his quest to prove how underhanded the club are being r_wilcockson, RoyMac5, Ghost of Clough and 2 others 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 I know I'll get in trouble and this post will get taken down, but I know the real reason for the NDA. It's that sausages are going to be served. NottsRam77, Day, angieram and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Chester40 said: Well, isn't best case scenario we resign Curtis Davies and maybe 45 year old Jagielka and possibly Morrison? Excuse me if that doesn't keep me up all night! The excitement is excreting out of me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksRam Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 I've been party to several NDAs, indeed am under one currently at work. I get all the cries of consternation but I have no doubt the detail of the meeting will be available very shortly afterward. I suspect that, due to the nature of the questions to be raised, and the delicate position we're clearly in with the EFL, HMRC and prospective buyer (who may have requested this as part of their own NDA), DCFC want, and need, to protect themselves whilst trying to (finally) have some form of communication with fans. Whilst perhaps, at face value it's disappointing for us fans, it's a pretty common practise. @david thanks for representing us and good luck. Reggie Greenwood, Day, Miggins and 8 others 3 2 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, Spanish said: I don’t believe that @David would expect us to be content with a don’t worry lads feedback. I wouldn’t ever think that, Angie would kill me for a start ? archram, angieram and Spanish 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, cheron85 said: The regulations specifically set out how fans are to be represented at these forums - It doesn't say EVERY fan needs to be invited but that fans should be represented - Which is exactly what's happening He's choosing to ignore that in his quest to prove how underhanded the club are being True. I ignored that bit as no matter what is done some people always say it's not enough or want more. cheron85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: In what way a misrepresentation, I saw the tweet but don't know the background then? Andy: ALL supporters should be allowed to attend 118.1: supporters are to be invited, AND 118.1.2: where meetings are not open to ALL supporters, representations must be elected RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 50 minutes ago, Sparkle said: I saw Mel in the chip shop and he told be everything I needed to know He proceeded to buy a battered sausage and chips for £55, and agreed a rolling one year contract with the owner to be his exclusive supplier of battered sausage in the future. He was subsequently seen two minutes later throwing the meal in the bin, and muttering something about Sam Rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Andy: ALL supporters should be allowed to attend 118.1: supporters are to be invited, AND 118.1.2: where meetings are not open to ALL supporters, representations must be elected He’s not the sharpest tool in the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 38 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Andy: ALL supporters should be allowed to attend 118.1: supporters are to be invited, AND 118.1.2: where meetings are not open to ALL supporters, representations must be elected Stop it! Steve Gibson reads this forum you know!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Boycie said: Stop it! Steve Gibson reads this forum you know!! Is he on holiday in the Isle of Wight too? Van der MoodHoover 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 3 hours ago, i-Ram said: The charges register at Companies House never reveals level of debt. See form you submit. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/933654/MR01_v2.1__2_.pdf It would only show the security that's been put up against loans. If we do owe someone like hmrc a fat load of dosh, then there would not be a charge showing as that is not a secured debt. i-Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, Boycie said: Stop it! Steve Gibson reads this forum you know!! Yeah, talking of which when have the curly headed ones club held their supporters meetings? What? They haven't? Points deduction and embargo please!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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