Melvyn Morris fan club

[i-Ram]

4 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

I didn't know about his charity work

https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/5054014/financial-history

He donated £12.5m when setting up this charity in 2016, who have since spent around £3m of that sponsoring research. The other £9m is still in their bank account. Or it was in the last set of accounts published. The accounts for last year are nearly a year overdue...

How odd them being so long overdue when one would have thought they would be very easy to complete/submit. Not a complicated business given it is only paying out a few grants here and there. 

[Rev]

38 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

I didn't know about his charity work

https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/5054014/financial-history

He donated £12.5m when setting up this charity in 2016, who have since spent around £3m of that sponsoring research. The other £9m is still in their bank account. Or it was in the last set of accounts published. The accounts for last year are nearly a year overdue...

I guess with the pandemic and subsequent lockdowns, there's been very little sporting research undertaken, so not much to actually support.

 

[Stive Pesley]

1 hour ago, Rev said:

I guess with the pandemic and subsequent lockdowns, there's been very little sporting research undertaken, so not much to actually support.

 

And plenty of time to work on submitting your accounts on time ?

[Rev]

28 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

And plenty of time to work on submitting your accounts on time ?

Tbh, I don't see the relevance of an unrelated charity's accounts to our predicament?

Some superficial similarities granted, but I don't really see why you've dug it up?

[Derby blood]

Will never be part of the Mels fan club, he has made far to many bad decisions, will not go over them again, as i have been banging this drum to long, i love DCFC, and all i want is some new owners to support our manager and get this great club back off its knees, and start having postive press again, and lets start talking about on field matters again, fed up with all the off field stuff now. Once A Ram Always A Ram, are you listening Mel. 

[Stive Pesley]

1 hour ago, Rev said:

Tbh, I don't see the relevance of an unrelated charity's accounts to our predicament?

Some superficial similarities granted, but I don't really see why you've dug it up?

It's not unrelated - MM is a trustee. He started the charity and donated £12.5m to it

I was just saying that I didn't know he'd done that and donated so much

The bit about the accounts being overdue was tongue in cheek

It's his money that he earned, and if he wants to donate it to charity in order to not pay tax on it then that's his prerogative and we can but admire his philanthropy

[G-Ram]

Ive never met him & in real life he could well be a very nice man.

Its nice of him to give to charities / set up charity

Still doesn't make him a good chairman. You can be a nice bloke and totally dog poo at your job or this case running a football club. I don't hate him i don't know him but i hate what he's done to the club & his poor decisions 

Sooner he goes the better

[Rev]

42 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

It's not unrelated - MM is a trustee. He started the charity and donated £12.5m to it

I was just saying that I didn't know he'd done that and donated so much

The bit about the accounts being overdue was tongue in cheek

It's his money that he earned, and if he wants to donate it to charity in order to not pay tax on it then that's his prerogative and we can but admire his philanthropy

If he's earned the money, hasn't he already paid tax on it?

[atherstoneram]

38 minutes ago, G-Ram said:

Ive never met him & in real life he could well be a very nice man.

Its nice of him to give to charities / set up charity

Still doesn't make him a good chairman. You can be a nice bloke and totally dog poo at your job or this case running a football club. I don't hate him i don't know him but i hate what he's done to the club & his poor decisions 

Sooner he goes the better

+1 couldn't agree more

[angieram]

7 minutes ago, Rev said:

If he's earned the money, hasn't he already paid tax on it?

If he gift aids it, the Government give the tax back. 

Doesn't affect you, but benefits the charity.

(Not sure how this works for higher rate taxpayers, whether they just refund the basic rate.) 

Edited September 9, 2021 by angieram
Add a bit

[Rev]

24 minutes ago, angieram said:

If he gift aids it, the Government give the tax back. 

Doesn't affect you, but benefits the charity.

(Not sure how this works for higher rate taxpayers, whether they just refund the basic rate.) 

I've just looked it up, and it appears I've done @Stive Pesley a disservice questioning his logic, apologies Stive.

Higher and additional rate taxpayers can not only add the tax onto their donation at 25%, in the same way as lower rate donees, but can receive a tax credit for  personal use on such donations.

The example below is taken from the HMRC website.

You donate £100 to charity - they claim Gift Aid to make your donation £125. You pay 40% tax so you can personally claim back £25.00 (£125 x 20%).

 

 

[RAM1966]

On 04/05/2021 at 19:57, G STAR RAM said:

You wouldn't have someone who has made a reported £500m for himself running a business on your behalf?

Youre either very very clever or very very stupid.

MM is a bit like Alan Sugar in my opinion, he mad a lot of money out of a dating site and King (Candy Crush), I think he was at the right place at the right time.......  Sugar has made a few shrewd investments and bailed at the right time!!!

[RAM1966]

It probably comes as no surprise that I am no fan of Mel, I was initially, but, when I saw the players arriving for the fees they were and the salaries they were being paid, it immediately set alarms bells ringing with me.  That day was when we signed both Butterfield and Johnson in the final hours of the TW for a combined fee of around £10M.

Where has Mel failed:

Firstly he has wasted far too much money recruiting managers to then sack them, meaning he got the appointments wrong.  Each manager, wants to build there own team and as such it cost £10Ms each time we do this, as a complete rebuild from players to formations and style of play is required.  I was particularly unimpressed with the majority of his appointments, he should of gone for someone like Warnock which knows his way out of this division and proved it on numerous occasions.   

Clement was a poor choice a talented No2 but no experience in managing, let alone in the Championship and his football was negative and dire.  Pearson was an enigma and I think there was a bust up behind the scenes, well what else can you assume from the Derby Way comments?  McLaren was a great appointment but sadly it did not work out the second time, but, we played the best football under him since Jim Smiths era.  Rowett was a complete farce, dire boring negative football and thankfully we did manage to offload him to Stoke at a profit (Only for him to be sacked as I predicted to a Stoke fan I know).  Then there was the one season gamble with Lampard, who sold the talent to fund a 1 season loan strategy to get us up.  Firstly it was always going to be risky employing a rookie, secondly what if it failed we were going to be left with a depleted squad, which is exactly what happened when Frank selected the wrong team at Wembley.  Cocu another gamble, although the guys CV looked good, he could not gasp the pace of the English game and particularly in the Championship.  History is repeating itself with Rooney on the rookie front, to be fair though Wayne has become a quick wheeler and dealer under these tough embargo conditions we are under and I wish him well.    

Then there is the financial side of things, either he has appointed a poor CFO who has badly advised him on the finances, or Mel has ignored the sensible approach to keeping the books within the EFLs P&S limits, we have had to take the nuclear option to sell the ground to stay within the rules, it also appears we have been creative with our accounting policies.  I understand the last point is perfectly legal, yet the other 23 clubs in the league were using a differing method, now the EFL have revisited our methods and we are in this endless embargo and disciplinary process. 

There is also meddling Mel, the man who allegedly enters the dressing room at HT to administer to rift the players, cancelling training camps in the sun, flies drones around Moor Farm to allegedly spy on Nigel Pearson's training methods as was reported in a national newspaper.  This is not inspirational leadership, its overpowering and the fundamental reason why the teams performance dipped as the players did not take kindly to the interference.

The communications from the club has been nothing short of a disgrace, inviting a small selection of fans into a forum and making them sign NDAs was a grave error of judgement, the only thing to come out of it was a few sentences from Rams Trust and the more detailed version from Punjabi Rams that actually told us anything (Thanks Guys).  Rams trust assured us that all was well, yet a short time later we have another open letter to the board.  That's aged well then, it fills me with even less confidence than I had before!  

Which leads me to the ticket office debacle, its still closed, many older fans with no internet can't get tickets and are missing games.  Why on earth do we still have an unmanned ticket office that could be generating income for the club.  Maybe its because we are rolling in money and don't need it?

My view is that Mel has been far too hands on, not kept an eye on the balance sheet and gambled by spending far beyond the clubs means.  How the debts are parked; with Mel personally or against the club is immaterial, everything is going to have to go through the accounts and this is going to take years to put our house back in good order.   

However you dress it up, he's the man that appoints the people in the key positions to make the key decisions, he's made poor appointments, he's sanctioned the overspending at the club to the extent we no longer own the ground.  How anyone can defend his actions is beyond me, I suspect when the accounts are all filed and up to date, there are many more that are going to desert him.  I'm sorry but the buck stops at Mel's door and the whole club from top to bottom is nothing short of a shambles which smacks of sheer incompetence.  Can anyone think of a more embarrassing situation for a football club than we are in right now?

Edited September 10, 2021 by RAM1966

[G STAR RAM]

5 hours ago, RAM1966 said:

It probably comes as no surprise that I am no fan of Mel, I was initially, but, when I saw the players arriving for the fees they were and the salaries they were being paid, it immediately set alarms bells ringing with me.  That day was when we signed both Butterfield and Johnson in the final hours of the TW for a combined fee of around £10M.

Where has Mel failed:

Firstly he has wasted far too much money recruiting managers to then sack them, meaning he got the appointments wrong.  Each manager, wants to build there own team and as such it cost £10Ms each time we do this, as a complete rebuild from players to formations and style of play is required.  I was particularly unimpressed with the majority of his appointments, he should of gone for someone like Warnock which knows his way out of this division and proved it on numerous occasions.   

Clement was a poor choice a talented No2 but no experience in managing, let alone in the Championship and his football was negative and dire.  Pearson was an enigma and I think there was a bust up behind the scenes, well what else can you assume from the Derby Way comments?  McLaren was a great appointment but sadly it did not work out the second time, but, we played the best football under him since Jim Smiths era.  Rowett was a complete farce, dire boring negative football and thankfully we did manage to offload him to Stoke at a profit (Only for him to be sacked as I predicted to a Stoke fan I know).  Then there was the one season gamble with Lampard, who sold the talent to fund a 1 season loan strategy to get us up.  Firstly it was always going to be risky employing a rookie, secondly what if it failed we were going to be left with a depleted squad, which is exactly what happened when Frank selected the wrong team at Wembley.  Cocu another gamble, although the guys CV looked good, he could not gasp the pace of the English game and particularly in the Championship.  History is repeating itself with Rooney on the rookie front, to be fair though Wayne has become a quick wheeler and dealer under these tough embargo conditions we are under and I wish him well.    

Then there is the financial side of things, either he has appointed a poor CFO who has badly advised him on the finances, or Mel has ignored the sensible approach to keeping the books within the EFLs P&S limits, we have had to take the nuclear option to sell the ground to stay within the rules, it also appears we have been creative with our accounting policies.  I understand the last point is perfectly legal, yet the other 23 clubs in the league were using a differing method, now the EFL have revisited our methods and we are in this endless embargo and disciplinary process. 

There is also meddling Mel, the man who allegedly enters the dressing room at HT to administer to rift the players, cancelling training camps in the sun, flies drones around Moor Farm to allegedly spy on Nigel Pearson's training methods as was reported in a national newspaper.  This is not inspirational leadership, its overpowering and the fundamental reason why the teams performance dipped as the players did not take kindly to the interference.

The communications from the club has been nothing short of a disgrace, inviting a small selection of fans into a forum and making them sign NDAs was a grave error of judgement, the only thing to come out of it was a few sentences from Rams Trust and the more detailed version from Punjabi Rams that actually told us anything (Thanks Guys).  Rams trust assured us that all was well, yet a short time later we have another open letter to the board.  That's aged well then, it fills me with even less confidence than I had before!  

Which leads me to the ticket office debacle, its still closed, many older fans with no internet can't get tickets and are missing games.  Why on earth do we still have an unmanned ticket office that could be generating income for the club.  Maybe its because we are rolling in money and don't need it?

My view is that Mel has been far too hands on, not kept an eye on the balance sheet and gambled by spending far beyond the clubs means.  How the debts are parked; with Mel personally or against the club is immaterial, everything is going to have to go through the accounts and this is going to take years to put our house back in good order.   

However you dress it up, he's the man that appoints the people in the key positions to make the key decisions, he's made poor appointments, he's sanctioned the overspending at the club to the extent we no longer own the ground.  How anyone can defend his actions is beyond me, I suspect when the accounts are all filed and up to date, there are many more that are going to desert him.  I'm sorry but the buck stops at Mel's door and the whole club from top to bottom is nothing short of a shambles which smacks of sheer incompetence.  Can anyone think of a more embarrassing situation for a football club than we are in right now?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

On the whole there isn't much to disagree with but there are a few things that I'd like to pick up on.

The alarm bells started ringing for you when you saw players arriving in huge salaries...where did you find out the salaries they were on? 

The drones spying on Pearson story was laughable, and if you honestly believe that, I feel for you.

My favourite in all of this though is that you think the football played under Clememt and Rowett was dire, only to go on and say we should have appointed Warnock ???

[Crewton]

Judging by the timeline, he believed in Mel for all of two weeks - a similar timespan to Mel and Nigel Pearson's relationship! 

[ketteringram]

I guess the only way to judge MM , whether it's done now , or ten years time, is to ask yourself whether or not you think the club has been run well over the last few years.

[Foreveram]

6 hours ago, RAM1966 said:

It probably comes as no surprise that I am no fan of Mel, I was initially, but, when I saw the players arriving for the fees they were and the salaries they were being paid, it immediately set alarms bells ringing with me.  That day was when we signed both Butterfield and Johnson in the final hours of the TW for a combined fee of around £10M.

Where has Mel failed:

Firstly he has wasted far too much money recruiting managers to then sack them, meaning he got the appointments wrong.  Each manager, wants to build there own team and as such it cost £10Ms each time we do this, as a complete rebuild from players to formations and style of play is required.  I was particularly unimpressed with the majority of his appointments, he should of gone for someone like Warnock which knows his way out of this division and proved it on numerous occasions.   

Clement was a poor choice a talented No2 but no experience in managing, let alone in the Championship and his football was negative and dire.  Pearson was an enigma and I think there was a bust up behind the scenes, well what else can you assume from the Derby Way comments?  McLaren was a great appointment but sadly it did not work out the second time, but, we played the best football under him since Jim Smiths era.  Rowett was a complete farce, dire boring negative football and thankfully we did manage to offload him to Stoke at a profit (Only for him to be sacked as I predicted to a Stoke fan I know).  Then there was the one season gamble with Lampard, who sold the talent to fund a 1 season loan strategy to get us up.  Firstly it was always going to be risky employing a rookie, secondly what if it failed we were going to be left with a depleted squad, which is exactly what happened when Frank selected the wrong team at Wembley.  Cocu another gamble, although the guys CV looked good, he could not gasp the pace of the English game and particularly in the Championship.  History is repeating itself with Rooney on the rookie front, to be fair though Wayne has become a quick wheeler and dealer under these tough embargo conditions we are under and I wish him well.    

Then there is the financial side of things, either he has appointed a poor CFO who has badly advised him on the finances, or Mel has ignored the sensible approach to keeping the books within the EFLs P&S limits, we have had to take the nuclear option to sell the ground to stay within the rules, it also appears we have been creative with our accounting policies.  I understand the last point is perfectly legal, yet the other 23 clubs in the league were using a differing method, now the EFL have revisited our methods and we are in this endless embargo and disciplinary process. 

There is also meddling Mel, the man who allegedly enters the dressing room at HT to administer to rift the players, cancelling training camps in the sun, flies drones around Moor Farm to allegedly spy on Nigel Pearson's training methods as was reported in a national newspaper.  This is not inspirational leadership, its overpowering and the fundamental reason why the teams performance dipped as the players did not take kindly to the interference.

The communications from the club has been nothing short of a disgrace, inviting a small selection of fans into a forum and making them sign NDAs was a grave error of judgement, the only thing to come out of it was a few sentences from Rams Trust and the more detailed version from Punjabi Rams that actually told us anything (Thanks Guys).  Rams trust assured us that all was well, yet a short time later we have another open letter to the board.  That's aged well then, it fills me with even less confidence than I had before!  

Which leads me to the ticket office debacle, its still closed, many older fans with no internet can't get tickets and are missing games.  Why on earth do we still have an unmanned ticket office that could be generating income for the club.  Maybe its because we are rolling in money and don't need it?

My view is that Mel has been far too hands on, not kept an eye on the balance sheet and gambled by spending far beyond the clubs means.  How the debts are parked; with Mel personally or against the club is immaterial, everything is going to have to go through the accounts and this is going to take years to put our house back in good order.   

However you dress it up, he's the man that appoints the people in the key positions to make the key decisions, he's made poor appointments, he's sanctioned the overspending at the club to the extent we no longer own the ground.  How anyone can defend his actions is beyond me, I suspect when the accounts are all filed and up to date, there are many more that are going to desert him.  I'm sorry but the buck stops at Mel's door and the whole club from top to bottom is nothing short of a shambles which smacks of sheer incompetence.  Can anyone think of a more embarrassing situation for a football club than we are in right now?

Stopped reading at should have appointed Warnock

[Carnero]

8 hours ago, Rev said:

I've just looked it up, and it appears I've done @Stive Pesley a disservice questioning his logic, apologies Stive.

Higher and additional rate taxpayers can not only add the tax onto their donation at 25%, in the same way as lower rate donees, but can receive a tax credit for  personal use on such donations.

The example below is taken from the HMRC website.

You donate £100 to charity - they claim Gift Aid to make your donation £125. You pay 40% tax so you can personally claim back £25.00 (£125 x 20%).

 

 

Yes but he's still made donations of £12.5m at a net cost to him of £10m. He's not "saved" anything.

[G STAR RAM]

10 minutes ago, ketteringram said:

I guess the only way to judge MM , whether it's done now , or ten years time, is to ask yourself whether or not you think the club has been run well over the last few years.

Even that is a grey area.

If you see well run as giving it everything you can to try and get us to the next level then some people will think he did all he could.

If you see well run as following everything to the letter of the law and not living beyond our means then he has been an utter disaster.

 

[Mihangel]

6 hours ago, RAM1966 said:

It probably comes as no surprise that I am no fan of Mel, I was initially, but, when I saw the players arriving for the fees they were and the salaries they were being paid, it immediately set alarms bells ringing with me.  That day was when we signed both Butterfield and Johnson in the final hours of the TW for a combined fee of around £10M.

Where has Mel failed:

Firstly he has wasted far too much money recruiting managers to then sack them, meaning he got the appointments wrong.  Each manager, wants to build there own team and as such it cost £10Ms each time we do this, as a complete rebuild from players to formations and style of play is required.  I was particularly unimpressed with the majority of his appointments, he should of gone for someone like Warnock which knows his way out of this division and proved it on numerous occasions.   

Clement was a poor choice a talented No2 but no experience in managing, let alone in the Championship and his football was negative and dire.  Pearson was an enigma and I think there was a bust up behind the scenes, well what else can you assume from the Derby Way comments?  McLaren was a great appointment but sadly it did not work out the second time, but, we played the best football under him since Jim Smiths era.  Rowett was a complete farce, dire boring negative football and thankfully we did manage to offload him to Stoke at a profit (Only for him to be sacked as I predicted to a Stoke fan I know).  Then there was the one season gamble with Lampard, who sold the talent to fund a 1 season loan strategy to get us up.  Firstly it was always going to be risky employing a rookie, secondly what if it failed we were going to be left with a depleted squad, which is exactly what happened when Frank selected the wrong team at Wembley.  Cocu another gamble, although the guys CV looked good, he could not gasp the pace of the English game and particularly in the Championship.  History is repeating itself with Rooney on the rookie front, to be fair though Wayne has become a quick wheeler and dealer under these tough embargo conditions we are under and I wish him well.    

Then there is the financial side of things, either he has appointed a poor CFO who has badly advised him on the finances, or Mel has ignored the sensible approach to keeping the books within the EFLs P&S limits, we have had to take the nuclear option to sell the ground to stay within the rules, it also appears we have been creative with our accounting policies.  I understand the last point is perfectly legal, yet the other 23 clubs in the league were using a differing method, now the EFL have revisited our methods and we are in this endless embargo and disciplinary process. 

There is also meddling Mel, the man who allegedly enters the dressing room at HT to administer to rift the players, cancelling training camps in the sun, flies drones around Moor Farm to allegedly spy on Nigel Pearson's training methods as was reported in a national newspaper.  This is not inspirational leadership, its overpowering and the fundamental reason why the teams performance dipped as the players did not take kindly to the interference.

The communications from the club has been nothing short of a disgrace, inviting a small selection of fans into a forum and making them sign NDAs was a grave error of judgement, the only thing to come out of it was a few sentences from Rams Trust and the more detailed version from Punjabi Rams that actually told us anything (Thanks Guys).  Rams trust assured us that all was well, yet a short time later we have another open letter to the board.  That's aged well then, it fills me with even less confidence than I had before!  

Which leads me to the ticket office debacle, its still closed, many older fans with no internet can't get tickets and are missing games.  Why on earth do we still have an unmanned ticket office that could be generating income for the club.  Maybe its because we are rolling in money and don't need it?

My view is that Mel has been far too hands on, not kept an eye on the balance sheet and gambled by spending far beyond the clubs means.  How the debts are parked; with Mel personally or against the club is immaterial, everything is going to have to go through the accounts and this is going to take years to put our house back in good order.   

However you dress it up, he's the man that appoints the people in the key positions to make the key decisions, he's made poor appointments, he's sanctioned the overspending at the club to the extent we no longer own the ground.  How anyone can defend his actions is beyond me, I suspect when the accounts are all filed and up to date, there are many more that are going to desert him.  I'm sorry but the buck stops at Mel's door and the whole club from top to bottom is nothing short of a shambles which smacks of sheer incompetence.  Can anyone think of a more embarrassing situation for a football club than we are in right now?

Sometimes, less is more.....