G STAR RAM Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Spanish said: If we hadn’t adopted a unique method of valuation we would have been relegated after getting 6 or 12 points penalty Wouldnt we have sold players to cover the losses? Reggie Greenwood, Philmycock, r_wilcockson and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofmidnight Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: I think whatever the EFL want the EFL get. Is it just a coincidence that every time the EFL appeal they win? Does that mean that every person who sits on the first independent panel of every case is completely incompetent and isnt able to come up with a decision based on the information provided. Strange as well that the EFL are able to appeal a decision made by an independent panel and if the original decision is overturned (everytime) the club isnt allowed to challenge it. Cant be just me that thinks we have a legal system in the real world and then football that seems it's own entity with power hungry greedy barstewards who can change rules at the drop of a hat to suit. One last thing. Why are we being so severely hounded for breaching rules that have seen us gain absolutely nothing over recent years and clubs like Forest and Watford can have owners who own 2 clubs and sell players between them for over inflated fees to circumnavigate FFP. And dont even get me started on West Ham who can literally field 2 illegal players costing Sheff United their place in the prem, are found guilty and fined 10 million, but dont receive a points deduction. Then get given a stadium at our expense. Much is rotten in the state of professional football and to be honest I've just about had enough of it. BramcoteRam84, Finch, strawhillram and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 This calls for a protest outside the EFL offices club 84 where you at. angieram and DCFC1388 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just now, G STAR RAM said: Wouldnt we have sold players to cover the losses? Yup. I would think that would be in any argument by us. If they signed it off, why would we sell players. If they had done their job properly, we would have been told what we needed to find. I'm sure we could have found it. Interestingly, Reading etc must have given the EFL assurances of their losses. If they aren't in an embargo now, they will have to have given assurances to sell their star players. Andicis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Wouldnt we have sold players to cover the losses? The context was we received no advantage from the method, I was just suggesting that there was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Norman said: Yup. I would think that would be in any argument by us. If they signed it off, why would we sell players. If they had done their job properly, we would have been told what we needed to find. I'm sure we could have found it. Interestingly, Reading etc must have given the EFL assurances of their losses. If they aren't in an embargo now, they will have to have given assurances to sell their star players. Who can they sell them to? Serious question who has the money in the championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Norman said: Yup. I would think that would be in any argument by us. If they signed it off, why would we sell players. If they had done their job properly, we would have been told what we needed to find. I'm sure we could have found it. Interestingly, Reading etc must have given the EFL assurances of their losses. If they aren't in an embargo now, they will have to have given assurances to sell their star players. My guess that their figs are so bad that they are under embargo do you know anything other? I started a thread on this when their results came out Edited May 10, 2021 by Spanish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EraniosSocks Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Boycott the league. It sounds so extreme and petty but I’ve had enough of reading my club in scrutiny all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just now, EraniosSocks said: Boycott the league. It sounds so extreme and petty but I’ve had enough of reading my club in scrutiny all the time How would this work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Spanish said: My guess that their figs are so bad that they are under embargo do you know anything other? I started a thread on this when their results came out I don't know anything. I just remember that the EFL can start imposing restrictions if its obvious you will fail the regulations from up to a year out. I'm guessing they are under embargo and will remain there until the results of their next set of accounts. Upon which they will probably get a points deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Spanish said: Don’t underestimate what it is like starting off that far behind. Also it could have been applied during the season just ended If we fail FFP, the process is automatic, there’s no tribunal or anything, so it would have been applied the first season after we failed it, which would have been one of the seasons where we finished significantly clear of relegation. IIRC the deductions are usually handed out in the second half of the season anyway, unless the team is already relegated, so we there’s probably no “starting off that far behind”, we’d just be bumped from playoff contention to mid table in that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Norman said: I don't know anything. I just remember that the EFL can start imposing restrictions if its obvious you will fail the regulations from up to a year out. I'm guessing they are under embargo and will remain there until the results of their next set of accounts. Upon which they will probably get a points deduction. There’s more on the thread Norman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: If we fail FFP, the process is automatic, there’s no tribunal or anything, so it would have been applied the first season after we failed it, which would have been one of the seasons where we finished significantly clear of relegation. IIRC the deductions are usually handed out in the second half of the season anyway, unless the team is already relegated, so we there’s probably no “starting off that far behind”, we’d just be bumped from playoff contention to mid table in that year. As long as you are certain about how things would have turned out that’s great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ck- Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Nuwtfly said: I think the accuracy of this can be judged by the level of accuracy in bullet point 2: “Wayne Rooney's side drew 3-2 with Sheffield Wednesday, who were relegated” If we’re allowed to draw after scoring one goal less, I think we’d have quite a few more points this season, so would be safe. Tamworthram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just now, ck- said: I think the accuracy of this can be judged by the level of accuracy in bullet point 2: “Wayne Rooney's side drew 3-2 with Sheffield Wednesday, who were relegated” If we’re allowed to draw after scoring one goal less, I think we’d have quite a few more points this season, so would be safe. Yep already mentioned ck- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ck- Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Spanish said: Yep already mentioned Oops. For some reason my phone hadn’t loaded the last few pages. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Spanish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just now, ck- said: Oops. For some reason my phone hadn’t loaded the last few pages. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Ok it was probably 6 hours ago ck- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ck- Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just now, Spanish said: Ok it was probably 6 hours ago Alright, I’m an idiot ? Spanish, i-Ram, Anon and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 41 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: And dont even get me started on West Ham who can literally field 2 illegal players costing Sheff United their place in the prem, are found guilty and fined 10 million, but dont receive a points deduction. Then get given a stadium at our expense. Bozo is a closet Hammers fan (spurned from his man crush on Alf Garnett) and "had a word". Apparently a "donor" sorted the fine? Gee SCREAMER !! and Jimbo Ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramslad1992 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Everyone saying take the punishment and move on... basically saying let the Bully hit you and don’t fight back... fight them for everything i say. Gee SCREAMER !!, Deej, Will Hughes Hair and 8 others 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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