Glass half full!

[G STAR RAM]

29 minutes ago, Premier ram said:

And how long would you give a new manager to turn it around if / when they sack Warne?

A while I imagine, I can clearly recall how desperate the fans were for a bit of stability after Mel Morris...

[Tamworthram]

13 minutes ago, TomTom92 said:

Think losing in the play offs leave his future 50/50. Warne by his own admission has said he’’d expect to be shown the door if we didn’t go up. 

Depends how much DC wants to not let outside influences affect his judgement. Personally keeping him on with a major percentage of the fan base against him is a poor decision. But so far DC has shown he doesn’t care about that issue.

Very true although you can’t be sure that a major percentage of the fan base would want to see him gone if we made it to the play offs but just fell short.
My gut feeling is the majority probably wouldn’t. Especially if we made it to the final. I reckon (and only what I think) is that the majority would of course be disappointed but would consider reaching the play offs as a close enough miss to keep him on in the hope that we could one step futher next season.

Edited November 19, 2023 by Tamworthram

[RoyMac5]

51 minutes ago, Premier ram said:

And how long would you give a new manager to turn it around if / when they sack Warne?

All the time it looked like they were taking the club and squad forward.

[RoyMac5]

22 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

A while I imagine, I can clearly recall how desperate the fans were for a bit of stability after Mel Morris...

Stability? But two of his last managers were poached by other clubs, so theoretically were 'right'. How do you stop that happening? Are we expecting to get Warne poached?

[i-Ram]

1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

Stability? But two of his last managers were poached by other clubs, so theoretically were 'right'. How do you stop that happening? Are we expecting to get Warne poached?

Surely we want him boiled or fried Roy?

[Carl Sagan]

1 hour ago, Tamworthram said:

By price of failure do you mean financial or PW getting the sack? If we reach the play offs but fall short, I’d be very surprised if PW was sacked. My feeling is that DC may well be disappointed but I somehow doubt it’s promotion or the sack this season.

I'd definitely sack Warne if we don't win promotion. After the best part of 2 seasons, that would be a clear failure. I concur DC might not agree, but that doesn't make DC right - just the owner.

1 hour ago, Mucker1884 said:

I'm a big fan of the "We are only 8 points off second place/Auto promotion after 16 games, and there's plenty of time/30 games remaining for us to pull that back" viewpoint.

 

... But... If I were to start drinking the Devil's Advocaat... it could be fairly argued that we have lost ground by 0.5 points per game thus far.  Carry that through to the season's end, and we could finish up being 23 points off the Auto spots.  

The latter, I'm not such a big fan of!  😲

To overhaul the top 2 quickly and establish ourselves in the automatic places, where this squad and club should be, and I think most managers would have us, we'd need to win about 10 games in a row. We've never done that in our long history, which suggests it's not going to start now. Instead it will need to be the long job of reeling them in over the course of the remainder of the season. Last season, second place finished on 98 points and third on 96 points, and it's largely thought the standard was higher. I'd say 98 points this time would give us a decent shout of automatic promotion (currently even third place is projected to get 101, so we have to hope for a dip in form), and we currently have 27 from 16 games. So we likely need around 71 points from the remaining 30 games, or 2.37 per match.

Effectively that means winning 4 out of every 5 games between now and the end of the season (that gives us 72 more, or 99). That's the reality check. My glass is half-empty as I don't think Warne will have us even close.

[Chris_Martin]

19 hours ago, DCFC Kicks said:

A weapon is only as powerful as the one who wields it. 

[Chris_Martin]

8 hours ago, DCFC Kicks said:

Fernando Alonso in a Robin could probably beat me in a Ferrari 

[Blondest Goat]

2 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

Warne says a lot of things in interviews that make little sense, to try to make a joke or just for effect.

Yes. I am capable of understanding context.  He wasn't joking.  He said it to emphasise how serious he was about promotion being the aim and how he expected failure to be viewed.

Edited November 19, 2023 by Blondest Goat

[Mckram]

For what it’s worth, I was recently lucky enough to spend some time with David Clowes.

A really great guy who loves everything Derby County. I can imagine being that involved can soon take away the love, but absolutely no sign of that.

He said a few things that I’m not going to share as it’s not really my place, but hopefully the below gives you an idea of what he’s thinking. 

He said he’s still expecting/aiming for top 2. He doesn’t think it’s unrealistic and thinks our squad is as good as anyone else in the league. 

He said that Warne needs to build his team still. Another two transfer windows before he can be fully judged as ‘his’ team. 

Obviously the above would probably change if we lose the next 5 games, but if we’re hovering around the playoffs for the rest of the season I think he will give him until at least 10 games in to next season (just my opinion of course!).

Edited November 19, 2023 by Mckram

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

3 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

Warne says a lot of things in interviews that make little sense, to try to make a joke or just for effect.

I'm here with Derby manager Paul Warne.

Paul, can you put your finger on our performances this season are so horrifically inconsistent despite signing 11 players to make it very much your team.

[Inverurie Ram]

7 hours ago, Millenniumram said:

I was told by someone who’s got stuff right before that McGoldrick wanted out of Derby, long before Notts County were promoted. The reason why he was so desperate to leave is a mystery, but it’s not out the realms of possibility that the manager who accused him of faking injury might well have been a factor. 

Paul Warne has had over a year now to get to grips with the team. Time is no excuse. Not many managers get that amount of time (as evidenced by the fact he’s already the 8th longest serving manager in the league). 

Oxford did spend well, so why couldn’t we? And don’t give me the EFL restrictions, we still had plenty to spend on wages, and recruited poorly.

Oxford made more changes over the summer than we did, and are currently performing much better. The excuses made for Warne wear me down, they really do. It’s crap, he should be doing much better than he is. we have more than enough quality in this squad to compete.

So @Millenniumram keeps on telling us it’s the Chairman’s fault, the coach’s fault, both at fault for not being the Man City of this league straight after administration, both at fault or mostly his favourite coach’s fault for not keeping a player that wanted to move to his childhood supporting club to finish off his career to play his career out for the love of the game and when it’s not the chairman’s fault or the coach’s fault, it’s the quality players fault or mostly the coaches fault for these quality players not performing to @Millenniumram standards of performance in his perception of this crap league we are currently in, or the fault of the so called players lacking quality that the coach has brought in, sanctioned by the chairman and the necessary employees of the club, and it’s really only a matter of time before it becomes @Mucker1884 fault and anybody else that perhaps wants a glass half full when our current league position is not an empty glass or broken glass and I was told by someone who’s got stuff right before that being promoted out of this division is our aim and our current coach has a great track record of delivering that and all the people that you constantly want to pick faults in or blame, basically everyone at Derby County Football Club that all have wonderful qualities that are currently competing and are doing better than some of us think…….but it’s a mystery.

Why walk on broken glass when the glass is not broken?

 

[Premier ram]

9 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

All the time it looked like they were taking the club and squad forward.

And what does this taking the club and squad forward consist of

[Archied]

Where do I see warne at this point ? ,not doing well enough to be happy , not doing badly enough to be sacked 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Sheff Ram]

On 18/11/2023 at 21:02, Van der MoodHoover said:

And yet, if we flop in the playoffs and end up back in this godforsaken division next season is that progress?

 

You know the answer to that question. Marginal progress but effectively with nothing tangible to show. But another year of experience of the division, and hopefully better placed to launch a serious Top 2 challenge in 2024-25.

[Van der MoodHoover]

Just now, Sheff Ram said:

You know the answer to that question. Marginal progress but effectively with nothing tangible to show. But another year of experience of the division, and hopefully better placed to launch a serious Top 2 challenge in 2024-25.

I don't know the answer, as the other narrative weaving it's way through this is that we could find ourselves clearing out 14 or so first team squad members next season.

Hence we have another season with who knows what experience to fall back on.

Oh, and Paul Warnes reputation as a "promotion specialist" diminishes to some extent.

[BathRam72]

16 hours ago, Millenniumram said:

The point is we SHOULD be as dominant as them this season in this league. As I’ve emphasised many times, it’s truly f****** awful. The gap between this and the championship is huge. It’s probably the worst league one in years, we absolutely should be dominating it with the quality at our disposal.

I think the fact they can spend more money on one player in a season that could buy our team and stadium in a one suggests the difference between the dominance you expect and reality  Derby are a big club that have been through turmoil. Currently a band of misfits in my eyes, a band of mercenaries that have been poached, freebies and potentials. 

They have been bought together in the hope that they can be gelled into a winning team.

You argue that the rest of the league are awful, but the difference is they have been pretty much together as teams for a while with the odd addition, they know the league. They play tough (not pretty football). Most rely on sitting as a back 11 then hitting on the break. They are hard to break down.

People who think this league is a walk over, are deluding them selves.

Edited November 20, 2023 by BathRam72

[Tamworthram]

51 minutes ago, Archied said:

Where do I see warne at this point ? ,not doing well enough to be happy , not doing badly enough to be sacked 🤷🏻‍♂️

That perfectly sums up how I’m feeling and how I personally think a lot (probably the majority) would feel if we reached the play offs but didn’t get through.

[Ram-Alf]

56 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

I don't know the answer, as the other narrative weaving it's way through this is that we could find ourselves clearing out 14 or so first team squad members next season.

And here we have it, Another rebuild so he must be given more time, Then another rebuild in January so must be given more time, Then another...well it just becomes repetitive

[Archied]

2 hours ago, The Last Post said:

And here we have it, Another rebuild so he must be given more time, Then another rebuild in January so must be given more time, Then another...well it just becomes repetitive

Truth is most clubs at all levels are on a constant rebuild apart from a few who are at a level and just tinkering to improve and those tend to have stability at the manager level, maybe chelsea and Liverpool are in a bit more of a bigger rebuild the last year or so