Ian Buxton's Bat Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: This is us not Man Utd! "Rangnick came to some pretty clear conclusions, his first public assessment coming in March 2022, just before a 4-1 defeat at Manchester City. What is obvious, not only with Manchester City but also with Liverpool, is they have had continuity and consistency with their head coach, have a very clear identity and a clear idea of how they want to play," he said. This idea is the headline for everything that happens in the club. This is the secret behind their success. It is what all the top clubs in Europe have in common. It is something that Manchester United needs to develop and improve in the next couple of years." What will our 'continuity and consistency with their head coach, have a very clear identity and a clear idea of how they want to play' be with Warne at the head? Continuity with HEAD coach....... I don't know what happens at Liverpool (other than they brought a throw in coach on board) but would I be right in thinking that Pep at City and Sir Alec at Utd have/had bit of a revolving door when it comes to coaches to bring fresh ideas in? Again, I can't say for certain what happens with top international teams but I'm sure I've heard several times during the rugby world cup and cricket world cup that 'attack coaches', 'spin coaches' or 'fitness coaches' etc would be leaving at the end of the world cup. I've nothing against Warne's backroom staff but why do lower league managers have to be velcroed to their mates for eternity? Edited October 30, 2023 by Ian Buxton's Bat therealhantsram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Not bothering to go tomorrow as I feel that apathetic. Warne doesn't appear to know how to turn it around and in his post match interviews he's blaming everyone but himself. I'm not wasting another £60 on two tickets and a quick dash from the train station to the ground. Jimbo Ram, LeedsCityRam, BPV and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Warne is a poor technical coach. There is no future with him that leads to success. But Clowes is seemingly making his stand. He got rid of Rosenior which was a huge error, but one Clowes is reluctant to admit by doubling down and sticking with Warne. LeedsCityRam, lrm14, BPV and 7 others 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black ('n' White) Sheep Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, Eatonram said: I really wonder what the Warne Outers actually want to happen. Obviously most want Warne sacked. I think we know that means his “team of staff” will also have to go and all be paid off. So then what? Appoint a rookie like eg Curtis Davies or experienced manager? (Like Warne ironically). How long a contract? Will we allow them to complete their contract? How soon do we “expect” promotion? People keep clamouring for more change and yet “change” has hardly ever delivered results. We sacked Roy Mac and appointed TBE. that DID work but not before loads of fans wanted him sacked by September. So now lease one of the vocal Warne outers WTF do you want to happen right now. Sack Warne and hire someone with a better brand of football. If I could see any sort of progress being made I wouldn't want him gone... but we seem to be going backwards. Jimbo Ram and dantheram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Bris Vegas said: Warne is a poor technical coach. There is no future with him that leads to success. But Clowes is seemingly making his stand. He got rid of Rosenior which was a huge error, but one Clowes is reluctant to admit by doubling down and sticking with Warne. It’s one of these for me: 1) Genuinely believes that the biggest takeaway from the Mel era was that chopping and changing managers constantly was the problem, as opposed to just hiring bad ones (which was the problem) 2) He can’t afford to sack him, which is troubling in itself because that’s something you really need to be able to afford in order to run a football club… 3) He is publicly backing him but has different thoughts privately (a bit like @Duracellwas suggesting) 4) He is quite happy to let us go through years of being a League One club because a League One Derby County is something he can afford to run, as opposed to a Championship one. Barney1991, jimtastic56 and RoyMac5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimtastic56 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 It must seem strange , when you are a fan , for the manager to come to your house on a Sunday afternoon. It doesn’t sound like David Clowes was in an a rage like a lot of fans . It doesn’t seem like mid-table in Tier 3 is such a disaster for the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 33 minutes ago, Eatonram said: I really wonder what the Warne Outers actually want to happen. Obviously most want Warne sacked. I think we know that means his “team of staff” will also have to go and all be paid off. So then what? Appoint a rookie like eg Curtis Davies or experienced manager? (Like Warne ironically). How long a contract? Will we allow them to complete their contract? How soon do we “expect” promotion? People keep clamouring for more change and yet “change” has hardly ever delivered results. We sacked Roy Mac and appointed TBE. that DID work but not before loads of fans wanted him sacked by September. So now lease one of the vocal Warne outers WTF do you want to happen right now. i want us to play football Jimbo Ram, Zag zig, BPV and 5 others 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said: It’s one of these for me: 1) Genuinely believes that the biggest takeaway from the Mel era was that chopping and changing managers constantly was the problem, as opposed to just hiring bad ones (which was the problem) 2) He can’t afford to sack him, which is troubling in itself because that’s something you really need to be able to afford in order to run a football club… 3) He is publicly backing him but has different thoughts privately (a bit like @Duracellwas suggesting) 4) He is quite happy to let us go through years of being a League One club because a League One Derby County is something he can afford to run, as opposed to a Championship one. Or he wants to give him time. We're 5 points off the playoffs with 2 games in hand. We are poor but we're in October. The season can be salvaged. Premier ram, Carnero and Caerphilly Ram 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Eatonram said: I really wonder what the Warne Outers actually want to happen. Personally, it's for us to actually carry out the plan we had in place before we raised expectations by appointing Warne. Build the club sustainably with an eye on the future, employ a progressive manager with room for growth. Build a team with a a good mix of youth and experience and implement an identity and a forward-thinking style of play which, through good coaching, helps to make the younger players better footballers whilst making proper use of the experience within the squad. It was never supposed to be a quick fix. We were supposed to take the rough with the smooth, a bit of short term pain for a happier future. We chucked that in the bin, at least in the eyes of many fans, when Warne came in. The problem is that I don't think we actually can go back to that now, at least not easily, because anyone who does eventually replace Warne will have the expectation placed on their shoulders to be 'better' than him, and quickly, especially by those who think Warne should carry on. That said it appears that the powers that be still sort of hold that ambition and believe Warne can deliver all of the above, and will give him the time to do so even though the weight of evidence suggest that he won't be able to. Ultimately they'll either be proven right, or it'll be a costly mistake. Edited October 30, 2023 by Kokosnuss Miggins, BPV and RoyMac5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 22 hours ago, blue texel ram said: I thought Warne would have taken us up but now its time for a change So one embargoed season ? Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Derby can tell journalists whatever they like, if the football continues people will vote with their feet and Clowes won't have much of a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said: Build the club sustainably with an eye on the future, You know that takes time right? hardly a patient lot are we? i agree with your point, but the last manager that was given the time to do exactly as u say… clough, and he did still gets chastised for his spell here being dull and boring we cant have it both ways Building something takes time and patience which there naff all of either around here Edited October 30, 2023 by NottsRam77 nogbad van 50 and Premier ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestStandStartTheBounce Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 39 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said: It’s one of these for me: 1) Genuinely believes that the biggest takeaway from the Mel era was that chopping and changing managers constantly was the problem, as opposed to just hiring bad ones (which was the problem) 2) He can’t afford to sack him, which is troubling in itself because that’s something you really need to be able to afford in order to run a football club… 3) He is publicly backing him but has different thoughts privately (a bit like @Duracellwas suggesting) 4) He is quite happy to let us go through years of being a League One club because a League One Derby County is something he can afford to run, as opposed to a Championship one. Regarding 4. He won't be able up afford a league 1 club if he sticks with Warne and the attendances drop. It was 24K last week. I wouldn't be surprised if it soon gets down to the 21K mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestStandStartTheBounce Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I think unless we get an early goal tomorrow things may get a bit toxic in the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Just now, WestStandStartTheBounce said: I think unless we get an early goal tomorrow things may get a bit toxic in the stadium. I think it's more likely to just be quieter, waiting for something good to happen. Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Just now, RoyMac5 said: I think it's more likely to just be quieter, waiting for something good to happen. It will be quieter, but if the misplaced passes and mistakes start the groans will get louder. Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Am Sheep Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I'm not a firestarter, I try not to be a boo boy and I'm definitely not a fervent happy clapper. I'm just a regular supporter, always proud and cheering for my team and like the more fickle among us I get quiter when it's s*** and louder when it's great. Well unfortunately I'm going quiet, very quiet. I've actually already stopped tracking our fixtures and results now. I literally can't be bothered. Warne has a small club mentality and an incapacity to work in a different way to what he knows. We are going and continue to go backwards, anyone who thinks playoffs are a possibility this season should seriously think about supporting the gumps with that level of delusion. I don't mind us losing, it's always going to happen. I just want to be entertained and go into every match believing that we can win or at least play entertaining football. We are so far from that right now, it makes the early days of Nigel Clough's tenure look like Jim Smith's finest. What angers me most is that CryptoBro's bessie Garry Cook has essentially gifted us a genuinely promising manager in Eustace by carrying on with the fantasy that Rooney is a football manager. Now we're going to squander that opportunity because something something stability. Never mind eh. Someone wake me up when we start playing football worth watching 👍🏻 RoyMac5, DavesaRam, dantheram and 3 others 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantheram Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 49 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said: It’s one of these for me: 1) Genuinely believes that the biggest takeaway from the Mel era was that chopping and changing managers constantly was the problem, as opposed to just hiring bad ones (which was the problem) 2) He can’t afford to sack him, which is troubling in itself because that’s something you really need to be able to afford in order to run a football club… 3) He is publicly backing him but has different thoughts privately (a bit like @Duracellwas suggesting) 4) He is quite happy to let us go through years of being a League One club because a League One Derby County is something he can afford to run, as opposed to a Championship one. Some of these mean Clowes needs to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantheram Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, Andicis said: Derby can tell journalists whatever they like, if the football continues people will vote with their feet and Clowes won't have much of a choice. Saving grace in it all, the fans have power in league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 50 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said: It’s one of these for me: 1) Genuinely believes that the biggest takeaway from the Mel era was that chopping and changing managers constantly was the problem, as opposed to just hiring bad ones (which was the problem) 2) He can’t afford to sack him, which is troubling in itself because that’s something you really need to be able to afford in order to run a football club… 3) He is publicly backing him but has different thoughts privately (a bit like @Duracellwas suggesting) 4) He is quite happy to let us go through years of being a League One club because a League One Derby County is something he can afford to run, as opposed to a Championship one. I can't believe it's 2 for one second. That would be complete mismanagement of the club to gamble our future giving someone a four year contract that we aren't able to relieve him of. lrm14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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