I know nuffin Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Rev said: I honestly think this is what undid us. I think the EFL might have raised an eyebrow at our policies beforehand, but couldn't see a big enough downside to take action. Once we started artificially pushing losses into a different accounting year by offering these extensions, only to then agree transfers weeks later was when they drilled down on what we were doing, and decided they didn't like it. Could also be because the value of a player with a year on their contract is more than the same player with 6 months left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Yes this, when Couhig said that Morris admitted in an interview that he was fully aware that as soon as he published the new accounts the club would be hit by sanctions. Implication is that Morris deliberately timed these events which would show some form of premeditation. Have to admit not sure which interview Couhig alludes to but don't think he's daft to start making up things that Morris allegedly said in public. The radio Derby interview when he stated we were over the limits in 2018 by £4m using the EFL' preferred amortisation policy... or something like that RadioactiveWaste and Tyler Durden 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, I know nuffin said: Could also be because the value of a player with a year on their contract is more than the same player with 6 months left Did we realise that added value through sales, or did the players leave for nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rev said: Did we realise that added value through sales, or did the players leave for nothing? Nominal fees is what i remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rev said: I honestly think this is what undid us. I think the EFL might have raised an eyebrow at our policies beforehand, but couldn't see a big enough downside to take action. Once we started artificially pushing losses into a different accounting year by offering these extensions, only to then agree transfers weeks later was when they drilled down on what we were doing, and decided they didn't like it. The timing isn't too far off. The EFL's first reference to the amortisation policy: Quote 20. 15/04/19 – EFL query why amortization fluctuates so much between seasons. Prior to this the only significant departures were Ince and Vydra, both with no net impact in the P&S period(s) under investigation. I imagine we were discussing contract renewals with Blackman, Butterfield and Johnson around this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberram Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 The mans a horrible weasel Indy and RoyMac5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipley Ram Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Is anyone up of EFL regs? I'm writing to Rick to complain about the "systematic cheating" comments and was going to suggest they had broken this regulation. Anone have any better ideas? 21.2 Notwithstanding the provisions of Regulation 21.1, all Officials and Players shall by virtue of their fulfilment of those roles be deemed to have given to The League: 21.2.1 an undertaking to The League not to bring The League or any Club, into disrepute; Gaspode, MikeS and r_wilcockson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 19 minutes ago, Ramos said: Boro and wycombe are colluding. They are purposefully using the word ‘cheating’ because they know catchphrase brexit Britain will jump on it. The biggest fact that is being omitted from all the stories all along and that Derby have not done nearly enough to communicate is that the accounts were signed off and Mel openly talked in the fans forums how we amortised players. That’s why we handed new contracts to Johnson and butterfield before letting them go. Then the EFL decided to go back on it and this point is conveniently left out by all involved. And why has no one ever just simply said to the EFL btw lads if you told us 3 years ago to stop using this accounting method, we wouldn’t have. We ever cheated, we did something we thought we could do. We never hid a thing. Couhig in other interviews last year used the phase systematic cheating - well we now know where that came from judging from the MFC statement today. Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich84 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: I get the feeling that a competent barrister could take this guy's claims apart. Ed is clearly not a barrister. I think a good proportion of this forum could have taken the claims apart...... Very disappointing, would have been better getting Colin Gibson to have done it MikeS, RadioactiveWaste, RoyMac5 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Shipley Ram said: Is anyone up of EFL regs? I'm writing to Rick to complain about the "systematic cheating" comments and was going to suggest they had broken this regulation. Anone have any better ideas? 21.2 Notwithstanding the provisions of Regulation 21.1, all Officials and Players shall by virtue of their fulfilment of those roles be deemed to have given to The League: 21.2.1 an undertaking to The League not to bring The League or any Club, into disrepute; No harm in trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBW Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Shipley Ram said: Is anyone up of EFL regs? I'm writing to Rick to complain about the "systematic cheating" comments and was going to suggest they had broken this regulation. Anone have any better ideas? 21.2 Notwithstanding the provisions of Regulation 21.1, all Officials and Players shall by virtue of their fulfilment of those roles be deemed to have given to The League: 21.2.1 an undertaking to The League not to bring The League or any Club, into disrepute; We accepted a punishment for those 'offences' so i'd suggest as unpleasant as the language is, it's not something that could be really challenged in an official sense. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Curtains said: It’s difficult to interview people with preconceived ideas on a situation. We just have to hope the EFL can put pressure on Wycombe and Boro to drop their spurious nebulous claims or we have had it IMO. Only Mike Ashley can save us now. Yep it’s Mike Ashley who actually wants a fight on his horse in nice shiny Armour or bust Curtains and jimtastic56 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Rich84 said: I think a good proportion of this forum could have taken the claims apart...... Very disappointing, would have been better getting Colin Gibson to have done it Easy to do behind a pc/phone screen when you can fact check what he's saying rather than doing it face to face. I doubt even Ed felt he did a good job interviewing, but he still managed to show the entire country what a weasel the wannabe Saul Goodman is. Rev, Andicis, kevinhectoring and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipley Ram Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SBW said: We accepted a punishment for those 'offences' so i'd suggest as unpleasant as the language is, it's not something that could be really challenged in an official sense. Yes but I was going to also send this from DC2, which suggests that the means rea required for "systematic cheating" has not been made out. Edited January 18, 2022 by Shipley Ram formating RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Yep it’s Mike Ashley who actually wants a fight on his horse in nice shiny Armour or bust Of course, he only wants to do it after using delaying tactics to try and get 25p in the pound down to 10p without much care for the staff or players or league position, probably already fully operating on the great escape not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, Shipley Ram said: Is anyone up of EFL regs? I'm writing to Rick to complain about the "systematic cheating" comments and was going to suggest they had broken this regulation. Anone have any better ideas? 21.2 Notwithstanding the provisions of Regulation 21.1, all Officials and Players shall by virtue of their fulfilment of those roles be deemed to have given to The League: 21.2.1 an undertaking to The League not to bring The League or any Club, into disrepute; You know his email address? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Gritstone Ram said: I heard from Pauline Latham that she thinks there is a deal with HMRC. There will be no doubt if a preferred bidders ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Unlucky Alf said: In what way hard done by, They were promoted on a basis of points per game, They were shyte most of the season, They won there last game when Boro couldn't be arsed, They were relegated as they got less points than us, We hold no blame, Go and run along the M6 and turn off for Preston, It's the ELF you need to sue. They got less points than us when we were beyond pathetic all season ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: Thank you. That's the answer I was looking (and hoping) for. Now why oh why didn't Dawes research that beforehand and point it out to Couhig? The biggest one missed was why anybody in there right mind would swap relegation for a 6 million pay out that is likely to be binned off knowing they'll be 2 million worse off immediately and potentially have an 8 million swing either way in perpetuity without promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 ThePrisoner, AbuDerbyDave, Sparkle and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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