kevinhectoring Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 48 minutes ago, The Baron said: ...and if it wasn't for you pesky kids I would have gotten away with it. And is that supposed to be funny? Jesus. You’re like the Middlesborough fan who taunted us with ‘what about Bournemouth?’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 12 minutes ago, The Baron said: Because somebody asked me a question. Ok, so if we send you questions, you answer them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram1988 Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Party at Pride Park next Tuesday if the sale of the stadium and club goes through? Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 6 hours ago, The Baron said: That is within the rules. So was our accounting policy. The rules regarding the method to be used were only altered recently. SaffyRam, Kathcairns, Hans Datdo-Dishes and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimmerman Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 27 minutes ago, The Baron said: Because somebody asked me a question. I have a question for you completely unrelated to football finance... ...why does the other fella sound like he should have your voice,and you look like you should have his voice? Norman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, Ram1988 said: Party at Pride Park next Tuesday if the sale of the stadium and club goes through? It will go through I am certain of that and like kircher said more good news incoming now I think we past worest of now. No thanks to efl and certain person cough cough boro owner and mel. Ram1988 and hintonsboots 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 2 hours ago, The Baron said: Fair enough, you think one thing, I think another. Would HMRC have applied for a winding up order in January if 'very little' tax was owed though? Yes, Forest had a winding up order for about 1.8 million in 2016- or probably 5-6 weeks PAYE based on their wage bill at the time. Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 I not be completely happy until I’ve seen some official statements saying it’s done. RipleyRich, Topram, archram and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihangel Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said: I not be completely happy until I’ve seen some official statements saying it’s done. Are you like nearly happy? Quite happy? Mostly content? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihangel Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 6 hours ago, B4ev6is said: It will go through I am certain of that and like kircher said more good news incoming now I think we past worest of now. No thanks to efl and certain person cough cough boro owner and mel. Go for it mate, enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 7 hours ago, kevinhectoring said: Ok, so if we send you questions, you answer them ? Possibly not you though after your last post! RedSox and Wolfie20 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 27 minutes ago, Mihangel said: Are you like nearly happy? Quite happy? Mostly content? LeedsCityRam, Taribo, Hans Datdo-Dishes and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAM1966 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 13 hours ago, The Baron said: Agreed. There was a winding up order from HMRC in January 2020, which is pre-Covid. The one single fact for me on the whole of this sorry situation is - The EFL introduced a rule change saying that all clubs must use the straightline amortisation method after the Admin rolled over and accepted the punishment. If the rule change happened after out alledged discressions, it was clearly open to interpretation and not against the rules at the time. Parry came out and said it was a rule clarification, yet its was minuted in the EFL mins as a rule change. Muy understanding is our amortisation method was checked and agreed with the EFL, it only became an issue when Gibson started crying Sorry, but the whole thing stinks, they should of closed the loop. Not bully a club into accepting a punishment in a kangaroo court.... Indy, The Scarlet Pimpernel, Kathcairns and 21 others 3 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 48 minutes ago, RAM1966 said: The one single fact for me on the whole of this sorry situation is - The EFL introduced a rule change saying that all clubs must use the straightline amortisation method after the Admin rolled over and accepted the punishment. If the rule change happened after out alledged discressions, it was clearly open to interpretation and not against the rules at the time. Parry came out and said it was a rule clarification, yet its was minuted in the EFL mins as a rule change. Muy understanding is our amortisation method was checked and agreed with the EFL, it only became an issue when Gibson started crying Sorry, but the whole thing stinks, they should of closed the loop. Not bully a club into accepting a punishment in a kangaroo court.... The one sorry thing for me is that this allowed every man and his dog to call Derby County cheats. Grossly unfair IMO as we were guilty of nothing other than Mel feeling he had no other option than Administration Betty Swollocks, Indy, Kathcairns and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, RAM1966 said: The one single fact for me on the whole of this sorry situation is - The EFL introduced a rule change saying that all clubs must use the straightline amortisation method after the Admin rolled over and accepted the punishment. If the rule change happened after out alledged discressions, it was clearly open to interpretation and not against the rules at the time. Parry came out and said it was a rule clarification, yet its was minuted in the EFL mins as a rule change. Muy understanding is our amortisation method was checked and agreed with the EFL, it only became an issue when Gibson started crying Sorry, but the whole thing stinks, they should of closed the loop. Not bully a club into accepting a punishment in a kangaroo court.... This is the whole thing to me. I asked @The Baron for his opinion on this but no answer as yet. RoyMac5, Indy and Kathcairns 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, RAM1966 said: The one single fact for me on the whole of this sorry situation is - The EFL introduced a rule change saying that all clubs must use the straightline amortisation method after the Admin rolled over and accepted the punishment. If the rule change happened after out alledged discressions, it was clearly open to interpretation and not against the rules at the time. Parry came out and said it was a rule clarification, yet its was minuted in the EFL mins as a rule change. Muy understanding is our amortisation method was checked and agreed with the EFL, it only became an issue when Gibson started crying Sorry, but the whole thing stinks, they should of closed the loop. Not bully a club into accepting a punishment in a kangaroo court.... The rules at the time stated we must stick to FRS102. Some people believe our policy was compliant to FRS102, others didn't. Unfortunately, the 3 people who had the final say (with no accounting background) determined it was non-compliant. The rule change doesn't automatically mean our policy was acceptable, but it does mean there will be nothing other than a common approach for all EFL clubs going forward. As I said very early on in the P&S case, the pragmatic approach would have been to change the rules and get the Club to change back to a straight line method. Crewton, LeedsCityRam, IslandExile and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 11 hours ago, The Baron said: Because HMRC issued a winding up order in January 2020, they would not have done that for a trivial sum. The HMRC have their own laws and methods, There's no straight line where they have a rule book. I was chased, Harassed, Had letters of a threatening nature of fines and continued fines if I would not investigate my deceased Brothers Tax Affairs(self employed)my mistake was clearing his debts, Cancelling his PIP payments and burying him. If it wasn't for one particular HMRC employee who looked into his last 2 years of taxable work I would have a stack of letters or even a court date to attend, And the shocking thing is, They owed him £20 and a few pence. Ladies and Gentlemen I give you an organisation that duck over the little person and leave those that have amassed billions of £s from wrongful Covid-19 payments Mostyn6, LeedsCityRam, leroyoftherovers and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Ram1988 said: Party at Pride Park next Tuesday if the sale of the stadium and club goes through? Yup after their last meeting Kirchner told Mel 'see you next Tuesday'. Edited May 27, 2022 by maxjam Steve How Hard?, Ram-Alf, Ram1988 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 33 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: The rules at the time stated we must stick to FRS102. Some people believe our policy was compliant to FRS102, others didn't. Unfortunately, the 3 people who had the final say (with no accounting background) determined it was non-compliant. I'm not even sure this is correct. I don't remember them saying it was not compliant, wasnt the issue more to do with the IDC ignoring the expert witness? RadioactiveWaste and Gladram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladram Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: I'm not even sure this is correct. I don't remember them saying it was not compliant, wasnt the issue more to do with the IDC ignoring the expert witness? Yep, we lost as we didn't have an expert witness to counter the EFL's one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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