Foreveram Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 minute ago, B4ev6is said: I am sure it will be all sorted and Saturday we call all party. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Tup Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 4 hours ago, RAM1966 said: I'm amazed that Kirchner is considering buying the club with its debt without thr ground as part of the package. The club is not worth £30m+ without the stadium.... Maybe Kirchner will buy the ground on a mortgage after the deal is done, maybe his proved funds before would not be sufficient to pass the business plan including it with the initial purpose and he will do that later - Its a theory of course. Ive seen some posting that buying the ground with the club would mean a cash outlay of £50-55m, then acknowledging the club is not worth that. I'd argue that its a terrible deal not to buy an asset valued at £81.1M even if its worth less, Id estimate at least £60m to rebuild so a reasonable assumption, its worth at least that. it makes no sense to buy the club and pass up the opportunity to buy the ground for £25M, it does not make business sense.... Owners come and go, so come sale time, if we still do not own theground, it will massively reduce the value of the club.... Maybe Kirchner see this as a speculative punt and therefore happy not to own the club, if he goes down the same route as Morris? I hope I'm stressing about nothing though and we are all celebrating on Saturday.... Its certainly going to be an interesting couple of days.... Do we know if he’s agreed a figure with HMRC or Mel Morris for rent/buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 3 hours ago, FindernRam said: The issue of Council funding for PP (no matter where they get those funds from is interesting. PP gets an attendance of over 500,000 people per year. This is far greater than the Velodrome, Moorways, and other Council subsidised entertainment facities put together, so in terms of value for money it ought to be a no-brainer. BUT: Public perception is that Swimming pools ,museums, athletic tracks, golf courses etc, should be owned by the people via the council. Football at professional level is awash with cash so no public funding should be spent. Further, football has a fairly bad reputation to non-fans, fights, vandalism, drunkenness, traffic and parking issues. City based fans make up far less than 10% of the population and for the 90+% the fate of DCFC is fairly unimportant. This puts the council in quite a bind when it comes to PP funding. My non footy friends have pretty much the same reaction if the club folds-bit of a shame due to the history but never mind life goes on! I'm under the impression... rightly or wrongly... that indeed, no public funding would (need to) be spent? Income from rent/rates etc should more than cover any loan repayments, and any subsequent sale would be at considerable profit, due to the (current) bargain asking price. I've seen the phrase "Win-Win" a few times, in these discussions. I'm not convinced the voting public need to concern themselves on this particular matter? ?♂️ I know nuffin, r_wilcockson, Indy and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, Gritstone Tup said: Do we know if he’s agreed a figure with HMRC or Mel Morris for rent/buy? I think he said the ground part of the package mate. Gritstone Tup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chezzyram Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said: I'm under the impression... rightly or wrongly... that indeed, no public funding would (need to) be spent? Income from rent/rates etc should more than cover any loan repayments, and any subsequent sale would be at considerable profit, due to the (current) bargain asking price. I've seen the phrase "Win-Win" a few times, in these discussions. I'm not convinced the voting public need to concern themselves on this particular matter? ?♂️ The voting public don't have a great record for thinking things through ariotofmyown, jono, RAM1966 and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FindernRam Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said: I'm not convinced the voting public need to concern themselves on this particular matter? In pure terms you are probably correct, but Mr Joe Public wont understand the intricacies of capital financing (neither do I if I'm honest), so will assume his rates will cover it. Under those circumstances I dont think the support will be there. "Why am I paying for a load of overpaid lads to kick a ball about?". But in a fit of unusual optimism I think it will get sorted out before next season. jono, Mucker1884 and David Graham Brown 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: I am sure it will be all sorted and Saturday we call all party. Fingers crossed, but I'm aware that there are still some hurdles to overcome and so I'm not getting my hopes up TOO much just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 minute ago, FindernRam said: In pure terms you are probably correct, but Mr Joe Public wont understand the intricacies of capital financing (neither do I if I'm honest), so will assume his rates will cover it. Under those circumstances I dont think the support will be there. "Why am I paying for a load of overpaid lads to kick a ball about?". But in a fit of unusual optimism I think it will get sorted out before next season. Yeah. I know where you're coming from, and in a lot of cases, I suspect you will be bang on! A bit like those applauding our recent severe sanctions "Because they cheated. Full Stop"! ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, Crewton said: Fingers crossed, but I'm aware that there are still some hurdles to overcome and so I'm not getting my hopes up TOO much just yet. I am sure kircher team camt sort out Come on buddy be postive and stop being nagtive. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamUltraRam Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) This could be our response to the EFL after the hearing tomorrow To quote Mumford & Sons from their song 'Believe' "I don't even know if I believe I don't even know if I believe Everything you're trying to say to me I had the strangest feeling Your world's not all it seems So tired of misconceiving What else this could've been I don't even know if I believe I don't even know if I believe I don't even know if I believe Everything you're trying to say to me So open up my eyes Tell me I'm alive This is never gonna go our way If I'm gonna have to guess what's on your mind" Edited May 4, 2022 by SamUltraRam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 hours ago, SamUltraRam said: To quote Mumford & Sons Please don’t. AndyinLiverpool, Crewton, jimtastic56 and 11 others 2 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, cosmic said: Please don’t. What would make our rather second rate bog standard indi songs something special? Banjo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 19 hours ago, ThePrisoner said: Get the Doombar pipes cleaned @rynny He’s a millionaire not a waterfall billionaire mate! rynny and ThePrisoner 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverurie Ram Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: What would make our rather second rate bog standard indi songs something special? Banjo? .........whatever Modern Nature were playing on Monday night in Aberdeen, to mellow me out after two nights of The Wedding Present in Aberdeen and Glasgow. Do you see it? Edited May 4, 2022 by Inverurie Ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 52 minutes ago, Boycie said: He’s a millionaire not a waterfall billionaire mate! CK has used the waterfall phrase quite a bit .. maybe @rynnyisn’t telling us all he knows ? Steve How Hard?, ThePrisoner, Boycie and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Derby Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 The Waterfall is close to Bubbles which is close to paradise. Turnstile and jimtastic56 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wignall12 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: What would make our rather second rate bog standard indi songs something special? Banjo? PADDLE FASTER ! .......I CAN HEAR IT !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 42 minutes ago, Abu Derby said: The Waterfall is close to Bubbles which is close to paradise. Paradise is next to Rollerwolrd mate, the other end of town (one for the 90s Ravers oi oi) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 38 minutes ago, TexasRam said: Paradise is next to Rollerwolrd mate, the other end of town (one for the 90s Ravers oi oi) Never that fussed with Paradise. Always felt weird getting that bus from Berlins. Like I was going home early. Plus Derby city centre was great then with 2 of the top 3 house music clubs in the UK in a CREAM sandwich. Now it's s**te. Dean (hick) Saunders and Derby4Me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: Never that fussed with Paradise. Always felt weird getting that bus from Berlins. Like I was going home early. Plus Derby city centre was great then with 2 of the top 3 house music clubs in the UK in a CREAM sandwich. Now it's s**te. It was alright when Progress was there (think it was called Time then) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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