Srg Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, MuespachRam said: They don’t have a chance of Their relegation getting over turned etc but if I was then I would be be very ticked off. Probably how other league one teams felt when the COVID season that wasn't finished put mid table Wycombe in the play offs. RoyMac5, SaffyRam and Tiverton Ram 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Srg said: Probably how other league one teams felt when the COVID season that wasn't finished put mid table Wycombe in the play offs. Yep. I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Spanish said: I have never read that. this is all I could find 12.3.1 during the Normal Playing Season but prior to 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, the points deduction shall apply immediately; 12.4.1 the Club would be relegated in accordance with Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7, the points deduction will apply in the next following Season (including in the National League if appropriate); or Spanish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: 12.4.1 the Club would be relegated in accordance with Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7, the points deduction will apply in the next following Season (including in the National League if appropriate); or Holy carp, this just gets better and better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAccessMemory Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 33 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: 12.4.1 the Club would be relegated in accordance with Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7, the points deduction will apply in the next following Season (including in the National League if appropriate); or Quote 12.3 Subject to the provisions of Regulation 12.4 below, where the Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, or the Board impose a deduction in accordance with Regulation 12.2: 12.3.1 during the Normal Playing Season but prior to 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, the points deduction shall apply immediately; 12.3.2 during the Normal Playing Season but after 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, Regulation 12.4 shall apply; and 12.3.3 outside the Normal Playing Season, the points deduction shall apply in respect of the following Season such that the Club starts that Season on minus 12 points (including in the National League if appropriate). 12.4 Where the circumstances set out in Regulation 12.3.2 apply and at the end of that Season, having regard to the number of championship points awarded (ignoring any potential deduction): 12.4.1 the Club would be relegated in accordance with Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7, the points deduction will apply in the next following Season (including in the National League if appropriate); or 12.4.2 the Club would not be relegated as aforesaid, the points deduction will apply in that Season and Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7 will then apply (if appropriate) following imposition of the points deduction. The above suggests it will be this season regardless. 12.4(.1/.2) only comes into play with 12.3.2, which is if the Insolvency Event is after 5pm on the 4th Thursday in March. Ghost of Clough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleEatonRam Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 At first I had sympathy for Wycombe as they are a plucky club who have done well in the last few years, but I've since changed my mind. They only reached the Championship based on a technicality anyway, so it's some brass neck to be claiming they're hard done by. We'd probably be doing the same if we were in there position, but them we would be wrong about it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 In 19/20 Charlton were relegated because the Tribunal determining Wednesday's case decided it would be unfair to relegate them for their breach, so imposed a 9 point deduction for the following season (last season). Had they deducted the 9 points immediately, Charlton would have stayed up. If the EFL or any IDC had decided to apply our punishment to last season, we could simply have pointed out the precedent set and sued the whole lot if they'd have gone through with it. I'm surprised a top Yankee Lawyer with a Big Hat hasn't heard of this principle, which is the foundation of English Common Law and which informs both statute and civil law constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Reading now in the dock for between 6 - 9 points. This season is turning into something akin to a Handicap Stakes kevinhectoring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, RandomAccessMemory said: The above suggests it will be this season regardless. 12.4(.1/.2) only comes into play with 12.3.2, which is if the Insolvency Event is after 5pm on the 4th Thursday in March. That teaches me not to skim read the regs when I'm busy doing more important things ? RandomAccessMemory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAccessMemory Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Just now, Ghost of Clough said: That teaches me not to skim read the regs when I'm busy doing more important things ? At least it’s one thing they can’t deliberately hold over us until it hurts us the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: 12.4.1 the Club would be relegated in accordance with Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7, the points deduction will apply in the next following Season (including in the National League if appropriate); or So just checking this is now not a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Crewton said: I'm surprised a top Yankee Lawyer with a Big Hat hasn't heard of this principle, which is the foundation of English Common Law and which informs both statute and civil law constantly. I'm not. The first step in any American legal dispute is Crewton, RadioactiveWaste and SaffyRam 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 13 hours ago, Ram Bam said: Just a thought on the potential points deduction for next season, isn't it a thing that if you're relegated outright then any points deduction is applied to the following season? Is it possible we finish in the bottom 3 or a points deduction for the amortisation sees us relegated so the 12 points for administration apply to next season? I think it can happen the other way around. So if it's determined we get - 9 for P&S then that can be held over to next season if we are already relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joooools Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 On 20/09/2021 at 19:36, BaaLocks said: And them on Leicester, this could all end with Old Engineers sueing Wanderers for not having a crossbar twenty years before they were legally required. Spot on, its really pathetic. ziggyram59 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiverton Ram Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) I find this legal action stuff really stupid. It's just pure desperation. Pathetic. If Wycombe were good enough to stay up they wouldn't need to be in this position trying to get legal action to keep them in the league. Edited October 27, 2021 by Tiverton Ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Tiverton Ram said: I find this legal action stuff really stupid. It's just pure desperation. Pathetic. If Wycombe were good enough to stay up they wouldn't need to be in this position trying to get legal action to keep them in the league. Agree. How embarrassing that Middlesbrough and Wycombe have to be mentioned alongside the EFL and HMRC by the administrators in the legal context of our situation. I wouldn't want to be supporting a football club that is trying to put another one out of business. IslandExile, Foxy Ram, Derby4Me and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 The decision over relegation and points deductions are all made by the governing body .. that is the EFL. Derby County have no influence or say in who gets relegated or not. We just play football in a competition managed by others. If Wycombe have a case it has to be against the EFL Its just noise as far as we are concerned. Comrade 86, Carnero, Reggie Greenwood and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_RAM Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) I'm no lawyer but I'm presuming the suing is regarding administration as surely they cannot be suing us for FFP as we haven't been penalised for that yet and I'm under the impression you cannot sue on hypotheticals? Yes it's true had we gone in to administration last season they would still be in the Championship, we never, so frankly tough t*ts. It's not like the owners took the decision lightly and thought let's go in to administration next season because Wycombe LOLZ, no it's a combination of Covid and chancers parading as legit business owners and that came to a head this season. I can guarantee that Cardiff, Peterborough, Hull and Barnsley are all happy we went in to administration this season and not last season looking at the league. You see, going in to administration always benefits the teams around them the club going in to administration whenever that should happen and Wycombe lost out on this benefit, treating it like it was some form of vendetta against them is frankly ridiculous, it's harsh luck but so was Zamora's late winner. That's football you dust yourself off, get back on your feet and go again, you don't go suing like some Karen that wants to speak to the manager. Edited October 27, 2021 by Retro_RAM Indy and I know nuffin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 On 21/09/2021 at 15:08, Crewton said: Reading now in the dock for between 6 - 9 points. This season is turning into something akin to a Handicap Stakes Should be more, they are well over£30m + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 I have not read all of this thread. So if this has been said, I apologise. But surely it is the EFL they should be angry at. We can't relegate or decide if we are punished. It was the EFL decision. So I can't see any problem here jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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