Will Hughes Hair Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, r_wilcockson said: Anything more than 3 and we'll keep fighting I think. It all relates to the EFL originally signing off the accounts and us signing players based on the previously approved accounts. If they'd challenged it first time around, we wouldn't have signed furthering players leading to an FFP breach. @Carneroprobably said this twenty minutes ago but… Estoppel got thrown out at the Sheff Wednesday hearing (the EFL wrongly advised / endorsed their actions). I’m fairly sure that Wednesday didn’t have St Nick de Marco at that hearing. As he’s on a retainer with us, if I were Mel I’d be doubling down. The embargo doesn’t scare me. Sibley’s gonna keep us up on his own. Carnero, RadioactiveWaste, hintonsboots and 5 others 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 If it’s 9 points, take it on the chin and move on. 91 points should still be enough for automatic promotion, shouldn’t it? Ghost of Clough, BramcoteRam84, Reggie Greenwood and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Going to the Pub - in a bad mood - come back later when not so irritated - better get a full pint ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Steve Buckley’s Dog said: Or maybe Mel is incompetent and presiding over a shambles. He got the last appeal to be £100k not points - lots of dire warnings while we were waiting for that outcome! Reggie Greenwood and RadioactiveWaste 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, Steve Buckley’s Dog said: Or maybe Mel is incompetent and presiding over a shambles. #Shrambles! ? 48 hours 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram1988 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 If we could beat Forest and have any restrictions removed I'd take a 6 point hit and try to move on. 9 points is just ridiculous though ! r_wilcockson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Ram1988 said: If we could beat Forest and have any restrictions removed I'd take a 6 point hit and try to move on. 9 points is just ridiculous though ! What wrong-doing are you accepting punishment for btw? The Scarlet Pimpernel, Steve How Hard?, Andicis and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_wilcockson Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Will Hughes Hair said: @Carneroprobably said this twenty minutes ago but… Estoppel got thrown out at the Sheff Wednesday hearing (the EFL wrongly advised / endorsed their actions). I’m fairly sure that Wednesday didn’t have St Nick de Marco at that hearing. As he’s on a retainer with us, if I were Mel I’d be doubling down. The embargo doesn’t scare me. Sibley’s gonna keep us up on his own. All depends on what impact this has on the takeover, I'm guessing that will be Mels primary concern at the moment. Carnero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: He got the last appeal to be £100k not points - lots of dire warnings while we were waiting for that outcome! If we hadn’t screwed up the original case and had presented our own expert witness, the original decision would probably have stood and there wouldn’t even be a £100k fine… Will Hughes Hair, RoyMac5 and atherstoneram 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 9 points, that's criminal. Might as well "do a Leicester" and take the full 12 plus administration. The EFL are proper Gibsons. twinkletoes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram1988 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: What wrong-doing are you accepting punishment for btw? You have a good point. I'm just sick of this and want to move on. I think we need an outcome in order for Mel to able to sell the club and to bring some real investment in. If a 6 point hit can facilitate that then would that be in the clubs long term interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: What wrong-doing are you accepting punishment for btw? Exactly this. There's a lot on here saying, 'I'd take 6 points' or 'I'd take 3 points' etc. Tragic that a large percentage of the fanbase would simply allow this to happen without knowing the facts of the case because they don't want to think about it anymore. Boo Hoo. This is and should be a non negotiable punishment based on facts and not something open to subjective negotiation on any part. Until we know exactly what has been breached (if anything) we shouldn't accept any 'punishment' from this shitshower of an organisation and fight on/back relentlessly. Sparkle, Miggins, Gisby and 21 others 6 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 53 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I don't get to what it relates? This quote mentions agreeing a punishment but for what and why?! No mention of what the P&S might be. "Under pressure from rival Championship clubs, the EFL is pushing for Derby to be punished and it is understood that a deduction of 12 points – nine points plus a suspended three points – and an imposed business plan has been discussed, but is yet to be agreed." "The question now is whether Mel Morris, the Derby owner, reluctantly accepts the EFL’s proposed punishment or, as expected, challenges it. Derby have always maintained they did not seek any competitive advantage with their amortisation policy." It's talking about the amortisation - they cannot do us for that again surely. They could only do us for the restated P&S being over limits? Exactly, if it stated that we had breached P&S with our new accounts and we were in discussion over a punishment then it would make sense. This is dancing on the graves of old news - which makes me think that Percy is just looking to get something out there before the Derby and Forest game to give his side a sporting advantage. 48 hours, Philmycock, Will Hughes Hair and 7 others 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Is this coming from the same Percy that said we hadn't submitted our accounts? uttoxram75 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, Will Hughes Hair said: @Carneroprobably said this twenty minutes ago but… Estoppel got thrown out at the Sheff Wednesday hearing (the EFL wrongly advised / endorsed their actions). I’m fairly sure that Wednesday didn’t have St Nick de Marco at that hearing. As he’s on a retainer with us, if I were Mel I’d be doubling down. The embargo doesn’t scare me. Sibley’s gonna keep us up on his own. We also tried estoppel in our hearings and it was also thrown out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Just now, ossieram said: Is this coming from the same Percy that said we hadn't submitted our accounts? No that was Nixon ossieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Just now, ossieram said: Is this coming from the same Percy that said we hadn't submitted our accounts? That was Nixon ossieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Just now, Gaspode said: No that was Nixon Just now, BramcoteRam84 said: That was Nixon I'm confused ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 minute ago, ossieram said: Is this coming from the same Percy that said we hadn't submitted our accounts? Even if we hadn't submitted our accounts, it would make no sense as we HAVE to submit then. A 9 point deduction kills us, even a 6 point deduction would leave us in trouble. Sheffield Wednesday had a good start, took their point deduction and it took the wind out of their players. The impact it has mentally is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Think that might have been Nixon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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