Tombo

Ref was shocking but our game management was worse. Not much more to say than that

Hey, random question, does anyone know if Paul Warne has ever been promoted in his career? Just hasn't been mentioned yet, that's all

1 minute ago, jameso said:

I had only read it Tyler Durden's way to start with, but I can see it both ways now.

"At least LR would have done it with class and dignity..." (or words to that effect) meaning

a) (Unlike Warne), at least LR would have done it with class and dignity...

b) (Even had he failed), at least LR would have done it with class and dignity

 

Congratulations: you're both right. (Says the peacemaking grammar nerd anyway.)

We have officially run out of things to argue about. This is bottom of the barrel

22 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

I tend to think the new owner would have got rid of him if he was useless - he may leave in time but currently he must be doing his job?

There's lots of useless people that hang on to their jobs. Being employed does not equate to competence

23 minutes ago, Reggie Greenwood said:

Any evidence that Pearce was involved in or responsible this decision ? I don’t know either way . 

Well yeah, he's the chief exec

We sit in 7th level on points which we determined wasn't good enough for LR to keep his job. Warne must now get playoffs at least otherwise its a failure, surely?

If short termism is the path we're going down, then immediate promotion is the aim

Funny how nobody sings "Stephen Pearce - get out of our club" anymore.

The guy is still here making these brainless decisions. He has to go

44 minutes ago, Srg said:

Interesting actually because it suggests fast but not actually direct. 

You mean the other way around? Not as fast but more direct (fewer passes per sequence)?

1 minute ago, Gritstone Ram said:

I have noticed a lot of posts suggesting David Clowes has made this decision. I don’t think he has. I doubt he is making any footballing matters decisions and others are making them. He may give the final ok but I reckon others are making these calls.

As for LR interim was always the title. Can’t make out if something is in place already. It would be strange to step down without someone in place. RD said Warne is away having a celebration holiday with his coaching staff and wives or is it a thank you and good bye to them?

Stephen Pearce is still employed by the club

Bear in mind that Liam Rosenior was always going to be "on the coaching staff". That's what his contract says. For now, he is not interim manager.

A further discussion will follow on whether he stays. If Paul Warne has no use for him, he will get paid off. If we want to keep him, then we will. If we want to keep him but he doesn't want to stay, he will have to resign

He was on secondment as interim manager. Now he is back in his old job...for now...

Didn't convince me today if I'm honest. I'd been thinking we should try it but I don't think it worked in practice

Liam Rosenior

8 hours ago, Ellafella said:

No. You clearly said “…or even if you know what you’re talking about” @Tombo so you can’t unsay it. As I previously wrote I’ll get back to you on the rest. You won’t be able to wriggle off the hook I’m afraid though. 

If you give it some thought, is it more likely that I'm doing a load of backtracking to "wriggle off the hook" of an Internet stranger in a discussion which is incredibly unlikely to contribute to anything material ever?

Or rather that I know what I meant and my follow up post simply provides you context?

Clearly I've upset you for which I apologise. But that line, as I said, refers to the vagueness of your criticism. How can I even know if you know what you're criticising if you don't scratch beneath the surface? You're far from the only one who did this last night, which makes this ongoing discussion farcical because it was never supposed to be a personal attack on you.

I will read your response if you still want to provide one, and I do look forward to reading it, but I won't respond further. It's gotten a bit personal for some reason which wasn't my intention.

11 minutes ago, Ellafella said:

You raise some interesting points @Tombo at length and I'm going to respond at length; but not now. The result is too raw; But I will address every point, tomorrow. For now, though I can't let the folowing go, so suffice to say:

"...easy to point to these nebulous things like "tactics" and "shape" and then never have to follow up with what you're going on about or if you even know what you're talking about. "  Well, I played competitive football for 32 years;  I represented my District FA at 17 years old, and played the likes of Aston Villa, Wolves, Walsall to name but 3. After I finished playing, I then coached for 12 years, and my teams won promotions and a League twice. Some of my teams' players were scouted by Leicester City, Florist, Burton Albion so my coaching seemed to help players become better.  So, I should know something about tactics, shape and "nebulous" things like that. Does that sound like I'm boasting?...It may read that way but you are the one who questioned my football "understanding" thereby forcing me to put it out there.

Just one other thing for now: You wrote: 

"You don't get a two goal cushion to throw away if your tactics and shape are wrong. You don't get to get that far. Think about it  " .

I find that a very odd thing that you say, and I'll explain why fully when I respond tomorrow, not least because most/a lot of people at the game at half-time recognized that our 2 goal, HT lead flattered us immensely and could see that despite being 2-0 down, Plymouth had control of the game for much of the half.  Was I shocked that we lost 3-2?; absolutely not. I said to my friends at HT that without a change in midfield we could easily let the game slip away. And so it happened. 

So, I'll leave it there for now and pick it up again tomorrow.  

It wasn't about questioning your understanding of the game, so no disrespect to you meant on that front, whatever level you played at or even if you hadn't.

The charge is more levelled at what I saw as a lazy criticism that I see often which lends no credibility to the points one makes, even if they are well founded. I'm a stickler for proper analysis, not just scratching the surface. Anybody can look at a losing result and say "the tactics are wrong" - well duh! Explain further then! Therefore I welcome anything you'd like to add.

Totally agree on the Plymouth game, but we somehow got to that stage, so we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater and disregard how that happened. And also up until then having won all 3 home games.

Apologies for the length again, I do tend to go on a bit when it comes to DCFC

Just now, BramcoteRam84 said:

Don’t like xG but when we were struggling away from home last season people used it as a way to demonstrate we’re not creating chances. This season we’re in the top 4/top 6 xG and not sticking the ball in the net. What’s that now 65 shots in 4 away games?! We were crap tonight but still could’ve had 4.

This is largely why I have sympathy for Liam Rosenior. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

We create chances, we don't score the chances. LR says we practice our finishing constantly. These players have been goalscorers their whole career. Other than start putting himself on the pitch what exactly is he supposed to do to make the ball cross the line?!?!

2 minutes ago, Rev said:

Away from home, this isn't a lapse in form. 

It's been the norm since Cocu took charge, and we're somehow getting worse, despite the quality of the squad improving when compared to the opposition.

Liam has been there throughout, that he seems powerless to effect change is concerning.

It is concerning, definitely. Unfortunately this is where I do the old "let's not be hasty" routine, which yes, I believe in

Give the guy a chance to affect the change. It takes more than 3 months to see the mettle of a man

2 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said:

I meant to say he'll do that and then start Sibley and Dobbin the best time and swap them during the game. But carries on playing the same way.

That makes a bit more sense. That's definitely true and a bit predictable but he's a bit stuck when none of those 4 are making themselves reliable. I don't believe the system or the style of play it at fault. I think the players are shying away a bit and are short of confidence.

And that's not to excuse them, don't get me wrong. I'm not putting an arm around them and saying "poor lads, they're just not feeling up to it". 90% of the time I would if you've got a player short of confidence you can understand they've just had a tough patch

But we've been knocked by basically nothing. It's still so early, and we've played some really good stuff in the opening 8 games (some games more than others of course). We've got to have a far better mentality to succeed, it's not good enough to roll over and die before you've even been at the club 3 months.

3 minutes ago, WestLondonRam said:

To be fair I agree. 
but I think it’s clear.. we don’t have any metal on midfield no hard players to say don’t f*** around with us in midfield. We’re scared to get stuck in mate. 

Yeah, wouldn't disagree. I think Bird can get fiesty but not lately. We know Sibley can be fiesty but he hasn't learned to control it well so he hasn't. Though I wouldn't want a big lump in midfield just to scare people if they would be too slow and inhibit us

That's a casualty of the cobbled together squad though. An experienced strong midfield player like that doesn't stay a free agent for long as every team could use a head like that and that's the market we're shopping in I guess. If only Bielik was here ?

2 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said:

The tactic every week seems to be. Start Mcgoldrick and Barkhuizen.

Then bring on Sibley and Dobbin.

That's it. 

The right back situation is bizarre. Needs to bite the bullet and chuck Oduroh in. Because if he can't see Knight is needed in midfield then there's no helping him.

Except today when McGoldrick and Barkhuizen were on the bench?

What are you talking about?

5 minutes ago, Ellafella said:

I'm not sure it is about performance though. I think it's about something more fundamental. Shape, style of play, and tactics seem to be ill-matched. This will be the fourth away game in the League and we have yet to score a goal. Add to that, we haven't exactly been banging them in at home. Every game we have played has been a right royal battle...4 games away without scoring, that's 6 hours without scoring.  

By the way we haven't failed to score at home all season. And in 4 home games in the league we've scored 7 goals. 3 games with 2 goals and only the opening day where we only scored once. Peterborough at home in particular was littered with chances and should have been a full-on pasting.

It's easy to point to these nebulous things like "tactics" and "shape" and then never have to follow up with what you're going on about or if you even know what you're talking about. You can just say "nah, tactics are wrong, shape is wrong". Reminds me of when people used to say "we're missing passion"

I'd like to know exactly what you think is wrong.

Have we been short of opportunities? No.

Have we lost possession too often? No, our possession stats are always sky high.

Have we defended poorly? Yeah, I'd say so in spells but we've conceded 8 goals in 8, which includes conceding 3 in one game at home to Plymouth.

There's nothing wrong with the instructions to my eyes. Nothing wrong with what we've tried to do with the ball, or our shape without the ball. We just seem to play with an remarkable amount of fear for the talent that we have. I think we're suffering from what many of us thought we might and that's that we are a target, and every game is the opposition's cup final. That's what makes away games so difficult is that pressure cooker that leads to mistakes. That's the "royal battle" you're referring to.

I'll absolutely agree that the buck stops with the boss and he has to do something to get it right, but this is what you call a lapse in form - don't tell me you've been watching football this long and never seen one before - which has happened because when we were playing well we didn't finish off the teams in front of us and now we're crippled by second-guessing. It was clear to see when we nearly threw away the two goal cushion vs Peterborough, and then when we did spectacularly vs Plymouth.

You don't get a two goal cushion to throw away if your tactics and shape are wrong. You don't get to get that far. Think about it

Not been able to watch this tonight but the bits I've heard we sound extremely poor

6 minutes ago, Rammy03 said:

6pm and no update. What's going on?

This takes me back to waiting for DCFC takeover news.

If it's not 6pm tonight then surely it's 9am tomorrow morning on Radio Derby?

I think we need to stop banging this drum. We don't have another first team right back aside from Oduroh, who has a lot to learn and I think he'll have a better second half of the season than he'll have a first

Nothing wrong with Knight there. He defends well. He's not restricted there, he is a ball carrier from full back because our full backs play so high up and bring the ball out. He's an injection of energy in wide areas which helps NML or Barkhuizen or Dobbin or whoever is on that side with him.

I think he's a more natural midfielder and that'll be where he plays most of his career, but I think we're utilising his abilities well with our system currently because he gets massive freedom to come out and support attacks

11 hours ago, Crewton said:

Fans calling for Collins to be dropped need to remember that we don't have a direct replacement. McGoldrick is the obvious choice, but it's also obvious that he can be most effective playing in a free role. It could work, but would require an adjustment to the way we play unless we sign a direct replacement. 

We had this argument before, and we ended up adjusting to play Tom Lawrence up front and it worked. I'd trust any of McGoldrick, Dobbin, Sibley or Barkhuizen to take up that role. I'd wager that a more mobile player in that role will encourage defenders to try and win it higher up the pitch and leave space for them to run into.

Maybe Collins is the only "number nine" we have, but what does that mean? He's not winning his battles right now, he's not all that tall or strong, he's not applying the finishing touch. Almost anyone could do equal or better right now.

I know that's harsh but it's the way it is. I believe he'll come good but let's not kid ourselves, it's not just bad luck that's stopping him, he's not playing well at all. He needs a rest

9 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

No Everton for jake.... 

This may well be better!