FindernRam Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 6 hours ago, oodledoodle said: This sort of makes it sound like Warne is having little impact on the team. My point was probably a bit subtle. I was not saying Warne should go or stay more that if he went and was replaced I doubt we'd be much better off. We are limited by player capability much more than Manager skill. The proof of our squad level was in the last window where apart from Bird (who wanted out) no one attracted any substantive bid! jono and Walkley Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 47 minutes ago, FindernRam said: My point was probably a bit subtle. I was not saying Warne should go or stay more that if he went and was replaced I doubt we'd be much better off. We are limited by player capability much more than Manager skill. The proof of our squad level was in the last window where apart from Bird (who wanted out) no one attracted any substantive bid! Cashin £4 million notwithstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 5 hours ago, sage said: irrational and puerile, lovely. I don't think he is a bad manager. I think he is a good League One manager for a club with low to medium expectations. Well I think they are appropriate words for some of the anti arguments. The juvenile are often irrational, not sure what you mean by “lovely” Irony perchance. That choice of words are part of my view on certain posters opinions. I know they have a view on mine and are comfortable voicing it. I think he’s a reasonably good league 1 manager, As a pro manager he has flaws, he isn’t a genius but is doing a sound enough job so far. I don’t think your addition of “a club with low to medium expectations” is accurate because: In the first place he is expected to and has been given the target of getting us promoted. That isn’t a “low/medium” expectation. What do you want .. an FA cup win thrown in for good measure ? Secondly .. we are in league one, like it or not. In this position and with our MM legacy we aren’t going to get Wenger out of retirement. That isn’t lack of ambition or expectation. It’s a simple fact and honest realism. europia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 hours ago, jono said: Well I think they are appropriate words for some of the anti arguments. The juvenile are often irrational, not sure what you mean by “lovely” Irony perchance. That choice of words are part of my view on certain posters opinions. I know they have a view on mine and are comfortable voicing it. I think he’s a reasonably good league 1 manager, As a pro manager he has flaws, he isn’t a genius but is doing a sound enough job so far. I don’t think your addition of “a club with low to medium expectations” is accurate because: In the first place he is expected to and has been given the target of getting us promoted. That isn’t a “low/medium” expectation. What do you want .. an FA cup win thrown in for good measure ? Secondly .. we are in league one, like it or not. In this position and with our MM legacy we aren’t going to get Wenger out of retirement. That isn’t lack of ambition or expectation. It’s a simple fact and honest realism. Thank You for dismissing other people's views again and offering strawman arguments. I'll leave it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) 7 hours ago, sage said: Thank You for dismissing other people's views again and offering strawman arguments. I'll leave it there. You’re not too bad at it yourself. I note you didn’t mention my argument. That’s being straw man ! . I defended my comment that you criticised, then gave an evidence to defend that rebuttal and then addressed your inaccurate contention of the low to medium expectation, with my counter contention. I think you need a dictionary before you start using trite newspeak phrases like strawman. Jargon is very tiresome especially when used incorrectly. Edited February 17 by jono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, jono said: You’re not too bad at it yourself. I note you didn’t mention my argument. That’s being straw man ! . I defended my comment that you criticised, then gave an evidence to defend that rebuttal and then addressed your inaccurate contention of the low to medium expectation, with my counter contention. I think you need a dictionary before you start using trite newspeak phrases like strawman. Jargon is very tiresome especially when used incorrectly. Straw man is making up an imagined scenario. I merely stopped arguing as you were being continuously rude and condescending. Not noticed this behaviour from you before and you seem to want to carry on in the same vein, so I'll say goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Blimey @sage and @jono falling out. Bloody Paul Warne. He has to go. RoyMac5, Caerphilly Ram, Jourdan and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, sage said: Straw man is making up an imagined scenario. I merely stopped arguing as you were being continuously rude and condescending. Not noticed this behaviour from you before and you seem to want to carry on in the same vein, so I'll say goodbye. And this isn’t rude and condescending ? I didn’t imagine a scenario, I challenged your assertion regarding low/medium expectations. I haven’t come across this facet of your character either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, jono said: And this isn’t rude and condescending ? I didn’t imagine a scenario, I challenged your assertion regarding low/medium expectations. I haven’t come across this facet of your character either. You imagined what I was referring to as expectations as winning the FA Cup in a mocking tone. You could have asked what I meant or read countless posts by various posters on this matter referring to a) style of play and b) progress beyond promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 6 hours ago, i-Ram said: Blimey @sage and @jono falling out. Bloody Paul Warne. He has to go. You want some? 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralRam Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Paul Warne is still a 🤡 MackworthRamIsGod, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong and Dai Capp 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Think the best way to end this debate is to shake hands and both of you agree jono was right with everything he said. Seems fair to me Jourdan, Comrade 86, jono and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Van der MoodHoover said: You want some? 🤣 jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 12 minutes ago, GeneralRam said: Paul Warne is still a 🤡 Very strange reaction to a win, you’re almost disappointed that we won? We’re second in the table. Whether you enjoy his football or management style is a different question, but ‘big’’ sides have failed multiple times in this division. If you look at results alone, he’s actually doing a very good job. To call him a clown is a little childish in my opinion. BathRam72, Jourdan, Stive Pesley and 12 others 7 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 maxjam, MackworthRamIsGod, Walkley Ram and 5 others 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Brolly Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, GeneralRam said: Paul Warne is still a 🤡 You are pathetic Archied, BathRam72 and Tamworthram 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Tyler Durden said: Think the best way to end this debate is to shake hands and both of you agree jono was right with everything he said. Seems fair to me Well I was beginning to doubt myself till you took a side. Cheers. LeedsCityRam and May Contain Nuts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Kernow said: Very strange reaction to a win, you’re almost disappointed that we won? We’re second in the table. Whether you enjoy his football or management style is a different question, but ‘big’’ sides have failed multiple times in this division. If you look at results alone, he’s actually doing a very good job. To call him a clown is a little childish in my opinion. Be careful someone will say your being condescending Jourdan, Tyler Durden and Kernow 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jono said: Be careful someone will say your being condescending *you're, thicko 😉 Edited February 17 by May Contain Nuts jono and Walkley Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returning ram Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Seems that the restrictions we are under would have ruled out any perm signing, makes it even more difficult to bring players in, when your relying on loans. Gives more background on why they found it difficult to bring in another striker. BathRam72 and Crewton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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