Paul Warne

[May Contain Nuts]

16 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

You can mention his past all you want, but it’s just one experience at one club at the end of the day.

Just because he couldn’t establish Rotherham in the Championship doesn’t necessarily mean he will automatically fail here.

In the same way look at Chris Wilder and Nathan Jones. They had great success in the Championship at one club but couldn’t replicate it elsewhere.

We’re not a replica of Rotherham. I think being in the Championship with a club with greater potential and backing could produce very different results for Warne but equally he could struggle. We have to wait and see.

The way you carry on though, we might as well throw in the towel the moment we get promoted.

It's not one experience at one club, it's three.

Look at other clubs who's manager could only find success managing that club? Errrrm, OK? I wouldn't particularly back Jones or Wilder either, just as I wouldn't want us to appoint Aidy Boothroyd even though his achievements are bigger than Warne's. Phil Brown has  more to his CV than Warne but nobody would put him forward as the next DCFC manager

We're not a replica of Rotherham but.. we're hardly dissimilar, and this is just another "well what if things turn out better, even though I have no evidence they will" style post. There's nothing to suggest Warne will have greater backing in the Championship either. It's all just blind faith because we're doing well where Warne is comfortable.

The way YOU carry on we've appointed a complete unknown who we should have no expectation of, but the hype around the bloke has been insane, and the standards he has to live up to will naturally follow.

Edited February 17 by May Contain Nuts

[Returning ram]

35 minutes ago, May Contain Nuts said:

He's a good Lague One manager with serious limitations which stop him being anything more than a League One manager, unless he proves otherwise.

At ths point though, if you dare mention his past at Championship level you're a Warne-hating outcast.

Really, you haven't mentioned it before 

[May Contain Nuts]

Again it reminds me of that time I criticised Chris Hughton and got a 3000 character response from someone who hadn't been on and hasn't been on the forum since , extolling his virtues and dismissing what I'd said.

[May Contain Nuts]

6 minutes ago, Returning ram said:

Really, you haven't mentioned it before 

Not as many times as you've outright dismissed any opinion that doesn't align with yours.

The whole 'Hi, I'm Returning Ram, I used to have another account" thing has never sat right with me tbh - duplicate concurrent accounts are banned yet apparently you can waltz on with another name (as long as the other isn't banned) and carry on old disputes?

Who were you before your return?

Edited February 17 by May Contain Nuts

[Comrade 86]

16 minutes ago, Carnero said:

Nobody has ever established Rotherham in the championship, and probably never will.

It's a nonsense to try to use it as some kind angle to denigrate Warne.

That'd still be a slight concern for me, but I do factor into my thinking the knowledge that Derby can offer him a deal more wherewithal in the transfer market than Rotherham ever could. Also, having been in the play-off slots when he left them, Rotherham are now rooted to the bottom of the table with 8 games back to their last win. Makes you think he might not be as poorly equipped as some suppose. Either way, I've a strong hunch we're going to find out.

[Barney1991]

At least we are not posting on the Paul warne out out in and out thread is a positive 

[Returning ram]

10 minutes ago, May Contain Nuts said:

Not as many times as you've outright dismissed any opinion that doesn't align with yours.

The whole 'Hi, I'm Returning Ram, I used to have another account" thing has never sat right with me tbh - duplicate concurrent accounts are banned yet apparently you can waltz on with another name (as long as the other isn't banned) and carry on old disputes?

Who were you before your return?

BillyD if that means that much to you. if it's against forum rules, happy for @David to remove my access 😊

[davenportram]

26 minutes ago, May Contain Nuts said:

It's not one experience at one club, it's three.

Look at other clubs who's manager could only find success managing that club? Errrrm, OK? I wouldn't particularly back Jones or Wilder either, just as I wouldn't want us to appoint Aidy Boothroyd even though his achievements are bigger than Warne's. Phil Brown has  more to his CV than Warne but nobody would put him forward as the next DCFC manager

We're not a replica of Rotherham but.. we're hardly dissimilar, and this is just another "well what if things turn out better, even though I have no evidence they will" style post. There's nothing to suggest Warne will have greater backing in the Championship either. It's all just blind faith because we're doing well where Warne is comfortable.

The way YOU carry on we've appointed a complete unknown who we should have no expectation of, but the hype around the bloke has been insane, and the standards he has to live up to will naturally follow.

The standards he has to live up to are simply to get promotion. The expectation of style of play is too high and irrelevant. We play in equal parts during matches - fast paced attacking, one touch, free flowing football alongside the hard working defensive workmanlike play.

 

 

[May Contain Nuts]

2 minutes ago, Returning ram said:

BillyD if that means that much to you. if it's against forum rules, happy for @David to remove my access 😊

I don't want you removed! Appreciate the honesty, just think its always best to be up front about such matters.

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[May Contain Nuts]

6 minutes ago, davenportram said:

The standards he has to live up to are simply to get promotion. The expectation of style of play is too high and irrelevant. We play in equal parts during matches - fast paced attacking, one touch, free flowing football alongside the hard working defensive workmanlike play.

 

 

With a 4 year contract,  all of the hype behind his appointment and a 5 year plan, the standards are higher than that.

The number of supporters he has wrapped around his little finger is bloody bizarre to me.

We don't play in equal parts  either. It's 7 parts tedium where it's not clear what we're supposed to be doing, to 3 parts excitement when playrs remember just how good they are.

Edited February 17 by May Contain Nuts

[davenportram]

1 minute ago, May Contain Nuts said:

With a 4 year contract,  all of the hype behind his appointment and a 5 year plan, the standards are higher than that.

Not right now they’re not. To judge possible success in the championship now is ludicrous. 
 

he has a four year deal, if we go up this season he has two years left. Stay up twice would be the realistic expectation but only after we get promotion. Until such time my only expectation of him is to get us promoted.

[CapeTownRams]

59 minutes ago, BathRam72 said:

When did you get back? 🤣

Does beg the question as to whether it would have produced better immediate benefits if we had used the CBT funds to purchase a quality striker now and if necessary leave the CBT deal to the summer. Early days I know but CBT doesn’t seem to be the catalyst to pushing on that we needed now….

[Jourdan]

40 minutes ago, May Contain Nuts said:

It's not one experience at one club, it's three.

Look at other clubs who's manager could only find success managing that club? Errrrm, OK? I wouldn't particularly back Jones or Wilder either, just as I wouldn't want us to appoint Aidy Boothroyd even though his achievements are bigger than Warne's. Phil Brown has  more to his CV than Warne but nobody would put him forward as the next DCFC manager

We're not a replica of Rotherham but.. we're hardly dissimilar, and this is just another "well what if things turn out better, even though I have no evidence they will" style post. There's nothing to suggest Warne will have greater backing in the Championship either. It's all just blind faith because we're doing well where Warne is comfortable.

The way YOU carry on we've appointed a complete unknown who we should have no expectation of, but the hype around the bloke has been insane, and the standards he has to live up to will naturally follow.

What insane hype? The way I carry on is that I think we have a manager who can get us out of League 1 and I back him to do that. Any ‘hype’ is probably very much tongue in cheek. The derision however is not.

Hand on heart, I honestly don’t know how we will do under him in the Championship. It’s a 50-50 case. We could fall into the same cycle as Rotherham, Peterborough and the likes or we could do better. There is no compelling case for either when the Championship is as unpredictable as it is and it has teams who overachieve, underachieve, surge and sink from nowhere almost every season. It’s a case of wait and see. 

But what I don’t want to do is write him off before the champagne bottles have even been popped and I certainly don’t want his experience at a different club in different circumstances with a different level of potential to muddy everything.

For you, Warne is limited and won’t ever change. Now if Warne had failed in the Championship with various clubs of various sizes and in various states, your stance would make complete sense.

The way I see it is if I go into a Ferrari showroom three times with £75,000, is it surprising that I come back with just a fridge magnet each time?

Rotherham have perennially struggled and almost exclusively battled relegation in the Championship irrespective of the manager in charge.

Derby have the potential to do more. Will Warne rise to that challenge? Why not wait and see?

[Caerphilly Ram]

27 minutes ago, May Contain Nuts said:

With a 4 year contract,  all of the hype behind his appointment and a 5 year plan, the standards are higher than that.

The number of supporters he has wrapped around his little finger is bloody bizarre to me.

We don't play in equal parts  either. It's 7 parts tedium where it's not clear what we're supposed to be doing, to 3 parts excitement when playrs remember just how good they are.

There’s been an accelerated shift in your tone on this matter, where I know you once looked to be balanced and had your concerns it does seem the more extreme pro-Warne posters have got to you. That’s the second time today I’ve seen you use a phrase saying Warne has fans wrapped around his little finger, which carries all kinds of connotation around manipulation on Warne’s part and a lack of choice/independent thought by those who do back him to blind faith extremes.

You and others don’t like Warne’s football, don’t think he’s right long term for the club for a number of reasons well articulated mostly by yourself and others with a few more extreme and less rational posters, and some think he is right for the club and express their views. It’s all opinions, I say this as someone who for the most part I respect their posts and views even if I don’t always share them, try not to get so wound up by it. 
If he’s not the man long term he’ll be found out and that’ll be that. For now he’s what we’ve got and it doesn’t appear to be changing, so discuss what’s pants and what could be better but don’t get dragged down by it as it doesn’t appear to be changing at the moment 

[Crewton]

1 hour ago, Ramdoc said:

Three points today despite the manager and not because of him. Super performance in the week playing 433 which the Derby fans and the Derby players clearly prefer. So of course tinkerman  Warne reverts to a 523 for no discernible reason.Not surprisingly therefore, we were weak in midfield with little attacking threat in the first half.Elder and Nyambe are good full backs but not very good wing backs.Stevenage the better side in the first half.Everyone in the stadium expecting changes at half time to 433 but we had to wait until the last 25 minutes for the manager to finally cotton on. Instant improvement as soon as Smith brought on to enhance the midfield.Got an undeserved winner near the end from a rare moment of very good play. Please please Mr Warne Stop overthinkng it.Stop trying to be  clever and stick to 433.

How many fans would have brought Smith on though eh? Another Defensive Midfielder? What was the "PE Teacher" thinking?

Btw, we didn't, at any stage, switch from 3 at the back.

[Jourdan]

4 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

There’s been an accelerated shift in your tone on this matter, where I know you once looked to be balanced and had your concerns it does seem the more extreme pro-Warne posters have got to you. That’s the second time today I’ve seen you use a phrase saying Warne has fans wrapped around his little finger, which carries all kinds of connotation around manipulation on Warne’s part and a lack of choice/independent thought by those who do back him to blind faith extremes.

You and others don’t like Warne’s football, don’t think he’s right long term for the club for a number of reasons well articulated mostly by yourself and others with a few more extreme and less rational posters, and some think he is right for the club and express their views. It’s all opinions, I say this as someone who for the most part I respect their posts and views even if I don’t always share them, try not to get so wound up by it. 
If he’s not the man long term he’ll be found out and that’ll be that. For now he’s what we’ve got and it doesn’t appear to be changing, so discuss what’s pants and what could be better but don’t get dragged down by it as it doesn’t appear to be changing at the moment 

I don’t think that this ‘extreme’ pro-Warne camp exists. I don’t think any blind faith exists either. People are daring to be optimistic, back the manager and hoping things work out. But most people can also call a situation as it is.

Back in October we got well beaten by Stevenage and had won just six in 14. Most expected that Warne’s days were numbered short of an incredible turnaround.

We’re 2nd. We’ve won 14 in 19. Is it surprising that people want to enjoy that?

[May Contain Nuts]

1 minute ago, Jourdan said:

For you, Warne is limited and won’t ever change.

Well that's wrong. I've never I want him sacked or that I'm not open to the idea of him improving.

I've seen and noted signs of progress, some of them he's regressesd on, some not. I've given out credit where I feel it's appropriate. What I do believe (based on what I've seen) is that said progress and the understanding of how it's happened seem to have taken a rather long amount of time come to fruition, I think he's learning but he's a slow learner.

My biggest mistake has been calling out posters for their attitudes toward others, which people have taken to mean I'm part of some Warne hating faction. I don't like people being bullied and rounded on for how they feel aout a football manager and I find many of the comments on here to come across as bullying and often behind a fgacade of humourous gfs. The reality is that I find him a frustrating and contradictory figure, and i'm not sold on the idea that he's as open and honest as he seems. The divisive b******* on this forum really tires me out, and the labelling always seem t cto come from one direction.

I'm sorry but If you don't know what hype I'm referencing I'm not sure you've been paying attention. He's bigged up at every opportunity. If he hadn't been bigged up to a certain degree I'd have a far more favorable opinion of him. I hold him to the standard he's been allocated by those talking of his stature.

The talk of Ferrari showrooms and comparisons to Rotherham's budget just does nothing for me. We are in the here and now, and he has many advantages over most managers at this level either by experience or budget.

[Caerphilly Ram]

7 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

I don’t think that this ‘extreme’ pro-Warne camp exists. I don’t think any blind faith exists either. People are daring to be optimistic, back the manager and hoping things work out. But most people can also call a situation as it is.

Back in October we got well beaten by Stevenage and had won just six in 14. Most expected that Warne’s days were numbered short of an incredible turnaround.

We’re 2nd. We’ve won 14 in 19. Is it surprising that people want to enjoy that?

Not at all, read back through the matchday thread and I was ploughing a fairly lone furrow of optimism and enjoyment (of a sort) throughout. I am enjoying the moment and will continue to do so.
However I stand by my other posts recently that it is becoming very tedious on here with the constant breaking out of circular arguments (of which I’ve no doubt played a part myself in the past) in which colours are nailed to one particular mast and some of the participants refuse to consider the other persons’ perspectives no matter what.

There are some who are in favour of backing the manager who are very quick to Lord it over those who have their doubts, human nature I guess, in the same way there are those who refuse to give Warne any credit and seemingly cannot wait to leap on any perceived negative. Those are the more extreme examples I consider I suppose and then it turns into a less pleasant dialogue from all sides. 

Edited February 17 by Caerphilly Ram

[Jourdan]

8 minutes ago, May Contain Nuts said:

Well that's wrong. I've never I want him sacked or that I'm not open to the idea of him improving.

I've seen and noted signs of progress, some of them he's regressesd on, some not. I've given out credit where I feel it's appropriate. What I do believe (based on what I've seen) is that said progress and the understanding of how it's happened seem to have taken a rather long amount of time come to fruition, I think he's learning but he's a slow learner.

My biggest mistake has been calling out posters for their attitudes toward others, which people have taken to mean I'm part of some Warne hating faction. I don't like people being bullied and rounded on for how they feel aout a football manager and I find many of the comments on here to come across as bullying and often behind a fgacade of humourous gfs. The reality is that I find him a frustrating and contradictory figure, and i'm not sold on the idea that he's as open and honest as he seems. The divisive b******* on this forum really tires me out, and the labelling always seem t cto come from one direction.

I'm sorry but If you don't know what hype I'm referencing I'm not sure you've been paying attention. He's bigged up at every opportunity. If he hadn't been bigged up to a certain degree I'd have a far more favorable opinion of him. I hold him to the standard he's been allocated by those talking of his stature.

The talk of Ferrari showrooms and comparisons to Rotherham's budget just does nothing for me. We are in the here and now, and he has many advantages over most managers at this level either by experience or budget.

In the here and now, you say?

Yet the original conversation stemmed from your comment about Warne’s past in the Championship and how you ‘daren’t mention it’…

OK, yes, in the here and now, we are 2nd and on a run where we have won more than 70% of our games. Is that not enough for you?

What advantages do we have over the two other main contenders Portsmouth and Bolton? Do you think we should be finishing above them and if we don’t, is that a failure in your eyes?

[May Contain Nuts]

18 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

There’s been an accelerated shift in your tone on this matter, where I know you once looked to be balanced and had your concerns it does seem the more extreme pro-Warne posters have got to you. That’s the second time today I’ve seen you use a phrase saying Warne has fans wrapped around his little finger, which carries all kinds of connotation around manipulation on Warne’s part and a lack of choice/independent thought by those who do back him to blind faith extremes.

You and others don’t like Warne’s football, don’t think he’s right long term for the club for a number of reasons well articulated mostly by yourself and others with a few more extreme and less rational posters, and some think he is right for the club and express their views. It’s all opinions, I say this as someone who for the most part I respect their posts and views even if I don’t always share them, try not to get so wound up by it. 
If he’s not the man long term he’ll be found out and that’ll be that. For now he’s what we’ve got and it doesn’t appear to be changing, so discuss what’s pants and what could be better but don’t get dragged down by it as it doesn’t appear to be changing at the moment 

Appreciate your candour and I don't entirely disagree, I do think recently there has been an increase in posts taking an extreme view against people with doubts/complaints though, which is what I'm reacting against and may give the impression my own views have becoem less balanced. I do feel more agitated by other posters than a few weeks ago, but it's probably based on a few (awful) individuals being problematic than the general tone of posts.

I also feel there are times where you have taken a side, in spite of your desire not to, in favour of one side of the argument and may have been swayed a little bit toward those with a more dismissive POV and have - intentionally or not - started to not give full weight to some of the horrible stuff aimed towards those not fully behind Warne.

I think the signing of Adams was excellent but I won't ignore that that he wouldn't have been needed if the Fornah hadn't proves a poor signing (so far) - that opinion seems to have set a couple of folk off, as have my views on McGoldrick, but these are specific posts and by the by, not really meant for discussiuon here.