The Paul Warne Poll

[JohnoDCFC]

Some of the comments on here are spot on. Realised how this forum is much better than some of the nonsense I’ve seen on twitter. Anyway, to put it bluntly I think he should be gone if we’re not in the Top 6 after the tenth game. There’s been no progression for a good while now and I don’t understand why we don’t revert back to 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. Playing this 3 or 5 at the back is shockingly bad and as someone pointed out, it just means crossing it consistency. 4-3-3 with a sitting midfielder Bird/Fornah with 2 centre midfielders in Hourihane and Embleton is the way forward  with pace out wide in Mendez- Laing/Sibley and Barkhuzien with Waghorn up top. He has 2 weeks to get injured players back and change his system with pace out wide. Sick and tired of Korey Smith constantly moaning while pointing the finger at everyone apart from himself but he’ll have to play right back. I’d love to know the reason why he started off Bird who doesn’t score as one of the attackers but get him back in the holding role. A fully fit Embleton in this division is like a cheat code, he’ll be very good for us. 
 

Only excuse for Warne is the amount of players who will be returning soon still gives me hope we will go up but he needs to change his stubborn ways and get back to 4 at the back. 

 

 

[Steve How Hard?]

1 hour ago, Ambitious said:

I don't think people should be revisionists in the hiring of Paul Warne -- he had everything that was used as a stick to beat Rosenior with. He had experience as a manager, at this level, he played football with an emphasis on getting the ball forward quickly. No one can hammer Clowes for hiring a manager with three promotions in three attempts at this level, all while utilising a budget less than roughly half of our own. He knew the division really well and I think we all thought that he would iron out the nativity in the team shown under Rosenior. 

You may have found the problem here. DC obviously thought Warne would be a good manger. 

[sunnyhill60]

3 hours ago, littleover ram said:

Bye Paul. You’re a good PE teacher but a bit too small time mentality for here. So long. 

 

How many promotions have you achieved from league one?

 

[sunnyhill60]

1 hour ago, S8TY said:

Interesting to see that some Warne fans are slowly turning and I'm one of them 

Absurd to judge on this bonkers game.

Early injury to Rooney
Handball in their pen ignored
We put the ball in the net yet have to score via a penalty
Smith foul - was it outside the area?
Why didn't the lino flag for Wildsmith  handling outside the area and subsequent red card, yet the ref makes the decision after speaking to him
Foul on Bradley in their pen ignored
Bolton defender handling in their pen ignored

Not that Warne doesn't have questions to answer over some of his decisions, but the worst thing is having to wait 2 weeks to be able to start to put things right

[S8TY]

3 minutes ago, sunnyhill60 said:

Absurd to judge on this bonkers game.

Early injury to Rooney
Handball in their pen ignored
We put the ball in the net yet have to score via a penalty
Smith foul - was it outside the area?
Why didn't the lino flag for Wildsmith  handling outside the area and subsequent red card, yet the ref makes the decision after speaking to him
Foul on Bradley in their pen ignored
Bolton defender handling in their pen ignored

Not that Warne doesn't have questions to answer over some of his decisions, but the worst thing is having to wait 2 weeks to be able to start to put things right

I wasn't judging just on this game

[CapeTownRams]

We have to give PW time. Seems like some of our fans are far too fickle. Just out of admin and clearly an owner who is sticking to the safe and sensible mantra that the business should pay for all the outgoings via revenue and that there won’t just be injections of private capital to fund new players. Frustrating for us fans it may well be but one can’t argue that it’s the sensible route given where we have recently come from.

It’s easy to criticize PW as the performances haven’t been good overall this season.   But we must also remember that two thirds of the way through last season we were all on a high and even thinking that a late run for an auto spot was on.  Yes, everyone will say that wasn’t his team but we can’t have it both ways. He was managing the team and it was doing well. FWIW I think his big mistake was switching to a back three with Davies when all our success had been achieved with a central two of Fozzy and Cash. The hard season also caught up with us and some of our older players as a result of our small squad.  But that’s history.

We need to stick with PW and stick together . These injuries have certainly hurt any opportunity for the new ‘team’ to gel and new players do need some time to settle in.

To be honest I felt sorry for PW today as he did the RamsTV post-match interview. - he almost looked as if he was near tears at the beginning. Whether that was because of the Rooney injury or the injustice of the game etc- but one thing is certain and that is that he and the staff really care.

No guys, critically review by all means but let’s stick behind the manager and the team . Rome wasn’t built in a day.

COYR

 

[Bris Vegas]

I don’t think Warne is in any danger of being sacked as long as we are in the mix for promotion. If you just look at this league, it’s simply awful. Ipswich and Plymouth were so dominant last year because they were decent Championship sides playing in a league below.

Regardless of Warne’s ability, this side will be in and around the top six this season.

And Clowes will be hoping Warne’s experience will see us over the line.

I don’t rate him as a manager at all. But I wouldn’t rule him out still getting us promoted this season just based on the competition. 

Pure guesswork here. But I don’t see anyone hitting 90+ points this season. We could sneak second on low 80s. 

Also, Warne’s last promotion at Rotherham saw him start the season with 9 points from the first 6 games. W3 L3.

Edited September 3, 2023 by Bris Vegas

[DarkFruitsRam7]

5 hours ago, S8TY said:

Nice bloke I like Warne and this was his big chance, he could not turn down the oppurtunity to manage a much bigger club than Rotherham and I admire his honesty but it's seriously not going to change much IMO

What I mean is the football is dreadful and when Oxford were passing it around us at home I thought it was a bit embarrasing that we were chasing shadows , plenty of huff and puff but very little technique and tactics other than the usual get crosses into the box etc etc 

I cannot remember a manager who's so set on a specific anti football style then suddenly turning it around and playing great football .....it just doesnt happen , you have to see roots of growth and something that you think is encouraging but I'm not seeing it...

Cocu was an International footballer and had played for Barcelona but joined the club at bad time just before the season started and with all of Lampards loanees gone and with only a few weeks before the season started yet he was dismissed yet some want to give Mr Warne a few seasons with no credible signs of improvement after a year!

I like possesion football and have never liked a game plan where you let the opposition have the ball and If we had a manager who was trying to get us playing more coherently and keeping the ball then I'd say give them time because some of the better sides play this way Brighton for example play great stuff but the success is down to getting the right managers in Potter and De Zerbi , who had heard of either before Brighton employed them ??

Our choice of manager cannot be based on a track record of getting out of League 1 as for me that is too short sighted ...we need someone who's going to play and build a team that is sustainable in the championship if and when we get there ....

This is why I am now leaning towards the Warne out camp but only if he is replaced with someone who will play a good style of football not another PW type like Macarthy or Big Sam as these managers are now dinosaurs ...the game has moved on....

Because he's ex Forest this will be unpopular but Mark Warburton is looking for a managerial position after leaving West Ham and he would be my choice, plays good football and has a good eye for talent or maybe try and tempt Graham Potter to come back into a lower level with big bonuses for promotion and success , someone who will get us playing a brand of football we'd like to watch , may sound optimistic but why not ? we are Derby County and have a fantastic fan base and for the right manager this is a dream job where they could build something long term .....not a Darren Moore either ...I don't see PW turning what we are currently seeing into something we'd like to see each week....

Interesting post but there’s no chance in hell we could attract Graham Potter.

[Mucker1884]

11 hours ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

I'm just bored of us setting up like we're a Conference team playing against Man City in the FA Cup third round against everyone we play. 

I think any Conference team that reaches the third round should be commended.  That’s a splendid achievement, and those responsible ought to be applauded. 
👀

[TomTom92]

Don’t think we can keep fluctuating between Warne in/out every time we win/lose we just look silly. 
 
Id also argue that we’ve had a tough start to the season, only burton and Fleetwood have been easy games. 
 
That said, I am struggling to see what Warne brings to the table. Poor tactically, questionable in recruitment, not a player development specialist and seemingly not a good enough man manager to churn out 3 points each week. 
 
Think he’s safe as long as we don’t completely fall off the cliff. The big question for DC will be next season if we’re still in league 1. Does he risk having PW prepare for another season? 
 
What I’d give for us to find our new Stevie Mac or our very own Steve Cooper. 

[TomTom92]

6 hours ago, Ambitious said:

I don't think people should be revisionists in the hiring of Paul Warne -- he had everything that was used as a stick to beat Rosenior with. He had experience as a manager, at this level, he played football with an emphasis on getting the ball forward quickly. No one can hammer Clowes for hiring a manager with three promotions in three attempts at this level, all while utilising a budget less than roughly half of our own. He knew the division really well and I think we all thought that he would iron out the nativity in the team shown under Rosenior. He did, for a period, which shows me that a mixture of the two of them garnered the best results. A possession based football team, not afraid to overload wide areas and get the ball forward quickly between November, December & January. 

All that being said, we focused on what he brought to the table that Rosenior couldn't, but ignored what Rosenior brought to the table that he couldn't IMO. One thing that I've learned that I previously overlooked is that we really need someone who understands the demands of this football, Warne has often tried to apply a mentality and mindset that isn't aligned with the supporters - the game today highlights that in that he tried to go to Bolton and play counter-attacking football. I'd understand if we played a Premier League side, but never did I expect to see a Derby County team set up in that manner in the third tier of English football. It leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. It's only the fourth season at this level in the club's history. 

I have no love for Warne at the moment, I just feel his football philosophy (although I can understand some of the logic behind it) doesn't align with what I want. Results aside, I feel a lot of people feel the same way. Wins offer some respite, but every loss is focused on the same things. It just feels like this is leading to an inevitable conclusion already, not because i don't feel like we won't make top 6, but because people don't like his strategy. It's eerily similar to both Nigel Pearson and Gary Rowett. Rowett got results, but wasn't liked - every loss raised the same questions. I would include Clement too. 

Next time I would make it a priority to find a manager who has had some form of success at a big club as a player or coach/manager. 

I’d argue Rowett was treated poorly by fans and then Mel in the end. However, if you search his name on twitter Milwall fans want him gone despite his solid efforts there. His style of play just doesn’t seem enough to get him a promotion. Plus as you rightly point out, every defeat gets magnified because of the style of football. 
 
If we would swap Warne for Evatt today would Derby fans say yes? I’d say the majority would.

[Papahet]

Should've gone for Evatt IMO.

Also, why does it matter what Warne did at Rotherham? Nigel Pearson did an alright job at Leicester and yet failed miserably here.

Different teams, squads blah blah.. 

[NottsRam77]

6 hours ago, Ambitious said:

I don't think people should be revisionists in the hiring of Paul Warne -- he had everything that was used as a stick to beat Rosenior with. He had experience as a manager, at this level, he played football with an emphasis on getting the ball forward quickly. No one can hammer Clowes for hiring a manager with three promotions in three attempts at this level, all while utilising a budget less than roughly half of our own. He knew the division really well and I think we all thought that he would iron out the nativity in the team shown under Rosenior. He did, for a period, which shows me that a mixture of the two of them garnered the best results. A possession based football team, not afraid to overload wide areas and get the ball forward quickly between November, December & January. 

All that being said, we focused on what he brought to the table that Rosenior couldn't, but ignored what Rosenior brought to the table that he couldn't IMO. One thing that I've learned that I previously overlooked is that we really need someone who understands the demands of this football, Warne has often tried to apply a mentality and mindset that isn't aligned with the supporters - the game today highlights that in that he tried to go to Bolton and play counter-attacking football. I'd understand if we played a Premier League side, but never did I expect to see a Derby County team set up in that manner in the third tier of English football. It leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. It's only the fourth season at this level in the club's history. 

I have no love for Warne at the moment, I just feel his football philosophy (although I can understand some of the logic behind it) doesn't align with what I want. Results aside, I feel a lot of people feel the same way. Wins offer some respite, but every loss is focused on the same things. It just feels like this is leading to an inevitable conclusion already, not because i don't feel like we won't make top 6, but because people don't like his strategy. It's eerily similar to both Nigel Pearson and Gary Rowett. Rowett got results, but wasn't liked - every loss raised the same questions. I would include Clement too. 

Next time I would make it a priority to find a manager who has had some form of success at a big club as a player or coach/manager. 

Some good and fair points mate.

the thing with football is pretty simple. 
 

win (ilke last week) and no one moans… lose like today and people moan.

the thing is, if people can see that something is being built.. aka rosenior or dare i say Nigel and theres an attempt to play football, greater patience is awarded. 
 

play s******** football where its just running around after seemingly aimless balls then patience is v thin.

its happened here, its happened at every other club.

im certainly not a fan of certain aspects of warnes style but like the total football route that lets say notts county are employing, it can work.

the problem is when it doesnt theres a lot less patience from the fanbase. 

[Ambitious]

3 hours ago, caymanram said:

We have to give PW time. Seems like some of our fans are far too fickle. Just out of admin and clearly an owner who is sticking to the safe and sensible mantra that the business should pay for all the outgoings via revenue and that there won’t just be injections of private capital to fund new players. Frustrating for us fans it may well be but one can’t argue that it’s the sensible route given where we have recently come from.

 

This is where I am at a loss, personally, I am absolutely all for our club being run on a sustainable model in League One - commercially we are a giant among dwarfs at this level so it shouldn’t take any outside investment. We will have the biggest wage bill in the division this season, I’d suspect, I’m not even sure who would come close to us. My issue is that we have hit the transfer market like a side planning for the next 12-18 months, not looking too far into the future.

For me, and perhaps this is harsh, but everything about the first team of this football club is about short-term solutions. There doesn’t seem to actually be a long-term plan - at least to my eye. I personally had hoped that would change with David Clowes, but understand that he isn’t an experienced operator in football and this is going to be a learning curve for him. 

For reference, we have nine first team players contracted to the club after this year: Nelson, Fornah, Bradley, Washington & Wilson (2025). Elder, Ward, Vickers & Rooney (2026).

I really want to see a change of approach, because nothing about how we operate as a football club at the moment sits comfortable with me. This is from the top down, by the way. Paul Warne often talks about how he’s only a month away from the sack and quite honestly applies himself as such. 

[duncanjwitham]

30 minutes ago, Papahet said:

Also, why does it matter what Warne did at Rotherham? Nigel Pearson did an alright job at Leicester and yet failed miserably here.

I suspect Paul Jewell is a more apt comparison - did very well at 2 relatively small clubs (Bradford, Wigan), struggled badly at 2 bigger ones (Sheff Wed and Us),

[IlsonDerby]

3 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

I don’t think Warne is in any danger of being sacked as long as we are in the mix for promotion. If you just look at this league, it’s simply awful. Ipswich and Plymouth were so dominant last year because they were decent Championship sides playing in a league below.

Regardless of Warne’s ability, this side will be in and around the top six this season.

And Clowes will be hoping Warne’s experience will see us over the line.

I don’t rate him as a manager at all. But I wouldn’t rule him out still getting us promoted this season just based on the competition. 

Pure guesswork here. But I don’t see anyone hitting 90+ points this season. We could sneak second on low 80s. 

Also, Warne’s last promotion at Rotherham saw him start the season with 9 points from the first 6 games. W3 L3.

My issue is that I want us to go up playing a way that will translate to competitiveness in the championship. Warne has shown that he hasn’t been able to do that despite being able to get Rotherham up 3 times. 
 

I’ve said similar to you in previous posts that we’ll always be around the play offs because there’s a lot of poor teams in this division but we can only stay in this division so long as a sustainable club before we also turn into a poor team. 
 

 

[Tyler Durden]

36 minutes ago, Papahet said:

Should've gone for Evatt IMO.

Also, why does it matter what Warne did at Rotherham? Nigel Pearson did an alright job at Leicester and yet failed miserably here.

Different teams, squads blah blah.. 

It matters as he had 3 promotions to League 1 under his name. 

How long was Pearson at the club for?

All the last few posts illustrate is that previous performances do not guarantee future results whoever the manager is. 

[Walkley Ram]

3 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

I don’t think Warne is in any danger of being sacked as long as we are in the mix for promotion. If you just look at this league, it’s simply awful. Ipswich and Plymouth were so dominant last year because they were decent Championship sides playing in a league below.

Regardless of Warne’s ability, this side will be in and around the top six this season.

And Clowes will be hoping Warne’s experience will see us over the line.

I don’t rate him as a manager at all. But I wouldn’t rule him out still getting us promoted this season just based on the competition. 

Pure guesswork here. But I don’t see anyone hitting 90+ points this season. We could sneak second on low 80s. 

Also, Warne’s last promotion at Rotherham saw him start the season with 9 points from the first 6 games. W3 L3.

Ipswich had been in league one 4 years by the time they went up. They went up due to a new American takeover and spent money. They were not a championship side at all, unless you count the quality of the signings they made. They also sacked their bad managers such as Cook, when it became apparent they were out of their depth. We'd be playing Ipswich this season if they'd kept him.

Plymouth have not been in the championship since 2008. They only really took off once Lowe left for Preston, and Schumacher took over. Finished 7th and then walked the league.

So both your examples went up after changing managers. Interesting....

[IlsonDerby]

For those accusing other fans of throwing toys out the pram and wanting a manager sacked after a few bad results.
 

Here’s a bit of context in terms of my own patience with managers: 

I never once called for Clough to be sacked. It was bad at times, Christ there were some hammerings but he had a bottom 6 budget, built a team of likeable lads who weren’t afraid to have the ball at their feet and despite his unwillingness sometimes to really go after teams (he was always set on get to 50 points then see what you can do) you could see the blue print. You could see glimpses of what he wanted us to do on the pitch. 
 

This with a bottom 6 budget. 24 passes. Pulling the opposition out of position and then bang. 

I was upset when Clough was sacked and I was frustrated when Mac2 and Clement were sacked. Not because any of those managers were exceptional but because I could see where it was going with them and budget constraints/bad luck with injuries aside I think they’d have got there.

[Ambitious]

33 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said:

Some good and fair points mate.

the thing with football is pretty simple. 
 

win (ilke last week) and no one moans… lose like today and people moan.

the thing is, if people can see that something is being built.. aka rosenior or dare i say Nigel and theres an attempt to play football, greater patience is awarded. 
 

play s******** football where its just running around after seemingly aimless balls then patience is v thin.

its happened here, its happened at every other club.

im certainly not a fan of certain aspects of warnes style but like the total football route that lets say notts county are employing, it can work.

the problem is when it doesnt theres a lot less patience from the fanbase. 

Agreed. There is a logic and philosophy to how Warne wants to setup and play. It’s predicated on moving the ball quickly as to not allow the opposition to settle. In turn, often leaves ourselves too open and unsettled ironically, but there is a theorem behind it that works. I completely understand.

It also doesn’t require highly technical footballers to implement, the system offers a lot of creative freedom, which is why he likes players that will run with the ball, but ultimately you’re running and then passing into space. 

With that being said, I have absolutely no idea why the recruitment strategy didn’t align with his vision. I would say he needs runners all over the pitch for his strategy to work. In the past he’s had Ladapo, Ogbene, Ihiekwe, Harding, Carlton Morris, Olosunde, Crooks, Vaulks… a whole host of grafters, willing runners and athletically gifted attackers.