Paul Warne appointed as Head Coach

[rammieib]

40 minutes ago, Srg said:

Let him get some of his own players. Feel like he’s often trying to do things with players who don’t quite have what he wants. 

But the football will still be the same. I think we are benefitting because we have some really good players, especially Cashin.

Just feel if he could adopt a little more, there is more to get from this team as we are not using their full skills.

[RoyMac5]

8 minutes ago, rammieib said:

But the football will still be the same. I think we are benefitting because we have some really good players, especially Cashin.

Just feel if he could adopt a little more, there is more to get from this team as we are not using their full skills.

How would that have worked today, what would you have done differently?

[Srg]

26 minutes ago, rammieib said:

But the football will still be the same. I think we are benefitting because we have some really good players, especially Cashin.

Just feel if he could adopt a little more, there is more to get from this team as we are not using their full skills.

Not sure you can really say that with full certainty. If your players are quicker and more athletic, those balls down the channels, for example, aren’t aimless hoofs anymore… they become balls for players to run onto. 

let’s face if, we would all love to play like Man City, but we need to realise we are in league one and the way to be successful in this league is by being solid, hard to play against and putting the opponents under pressure to force errors. Win games, worry about style if we get out this league. 

Edited December 27, 2022 by Srg

[Yani P]

We played decent football in our last game, not sure the weather or the state of the pitch helped that today.

[DRBee]

2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

And so there wasn't a goal scored against us directly caused by his slow play-out from the back tactics? That doesn't make them right or fun to watch. ?

And today was fun to watch ??? Really?

[NottsRam77]

2 hours ago, nottingram said:

Now find one we conceded doing it

Pretty sure we had our own back catalogue of needless goals under cocu and LR where we overplayed from the back and gift wrapped goals and opportunities to the opposition 

[RoyMac5]

28 minutes ago, DRBee said:

And today was fun to watch ??? Really?

Yes.

It was a hard fought game, on a poor pitch in often pouring rain. 

What were you expecting? Who should we have played? Pissing about at the back would have spiced things up a bit I suppose. ?

[May Contain Nuts]

It was clearly the most fun 0-0 draw I've ever not actually seen going by the match thread.

Edited December 28, 2022 by Kokosnuss

[May Contain Nuts]

2 hours ago, Yani P said:

We played decent football in our last game, not sure the weather or the state of the pitch helped that today.

We had no opposition in our last game, kinda helped.

[May Contain Nuts]

1 hour ago, NottsRam77 said:

Pretty sure we had our own back catalogue of needless goals under cocu and LR where we overplayed from the back and gift wrapped goals and opportunities to the opposition 

I'm sure we did. I'm yet to find anyone who is actually a fan of the keeper to CB to keeper to opposition approach, but really it's likely lead to no more or fewer needless / gift wrapped goals than anyone playing any other style. Possibly actually fewer, BUT...

...every goal given away playing like that, given the nature of them, gets highlighted more than other methods of stupidity that give away goals. It's the trendy thing for certain fans to highlight.

Sort of like when keepers f*** up - it's never a low profile f*** up, it's always obviously them to blame, there's nowhere to hide.

If a keeper drops the occasional cross or punches one into his own net,.despite a string of excellent saves at other times, he'll get more negative attention and a reputation as a calamity than another keeper who consistently lets in weak goals but doesn't make high profile f*** ups. The Roos effect.

That is to say, it is still bad, but the number of times it actually crates a problem is massively exaggerated and taken out of context by certain people looking for some sweet nuggets of confirmation bias.

Edited December 28, 2022 by Kokosnuss

[Archied]

11 hours ago, DB83 said:

A lot of the pressure on Warne imo is coming from people who think that Rosenior was a good manager and should have been persevered with for much longer. After all, this squad (which most on this thread seem to agree is one of the best in this league) was built, as you say, with no transfer fees, no money for agents, etc etc, by Rosenior. Many feel he should therefore have been given more than 9 league games to work with his squad. And if you believe that, then naturally you're going to expect the replacement manager to be a considerable improvement, otherwise why replace Rosenior??

You say: "Let's enjoy what we have, if we make the play-offs great, if we don't we don't". Yes, you're spot on. So why didn't this philosophy apply when Rosenior was in charge too??

You say: "To put into context, who can tell me the last time we had a manager that lasted more than 2 full seasons?? I'm looking forward to judging Warne after 2-3 seasons, not 5 minutes and one restricted transfer window.". Yes, again you're spot on. So why the rush to replace Rosenior?? Why not judge him after 2 full seasons??

On a points per game (ppg) basis, Rosenior had 1.56 ppg after 9 league games with a squad recruited very hastily and under huge restrictions (this would give us 71.76 points over the season), while Warne currently has 1.62 ppg after his first 13 league games (which would be 74.52 points over a full season). So by replacing Rosenior with Warne, we will statistically gain an extra 2.76 points over the course of a season (let's call it one extra win).

Might that one extra win be the difference between promotion/play-offs and not?? Sure, it could be. But does that justify having replaced Rosenior so soon?? People will have their own opinions, but a lot of the pressure and expectation on Warne comes imo from people who think that, since we replaced Rosenior so quickly, his replacement should be providing a bigger improvement than is currently the case with Warne.

After all, we've won 3 of the last 10 league games. Will all the Warne super-fans on here be happy with 3 wins in the next 10 league games too??

So bottom line is warne doing better than rosenior with rosenior s players

[kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong]

14 hours ago, DB83 said:

A lot of the pressure on Warne imo is coming from people who think that Rosenior was a good manager and should have been persevered with for much longer. After all, this squad (which most on this thread seem to agree is one of the best in this league) was built, as you say, with no transfer fees, no money for agents, etc etc, by Rosenior. Many feel he should therefore have been given more than 9 league games to work with his squad. And if you believe that, then naturally you're going to expect the replacement manager to be a considerable improvement, otherwise why replace Rosenior??

You say: "Let's enjoy what we have, if we make the play-offs great, if we don't we don't". Yes, you're spot on. So why didn't this philosophy apply when Rosenior was in charge too??

You say: "To put into context, who can tell me the last time we had a manager that lasted more than 2 full seasons?? I'm looking forward to judging Warne after 2-3 seasons, not 5 minutes and one restricted transfer window.". Yes, again you're spot on. So why the rush to replace Rosenior?? Why not judge him after 2 full seasons??

On a points per game (ppg) basis, Rosenior had 1.56 ppg after 9 league games with a squad recruited very hastily and under huge restrictions (this would give us 71.76 points over the season), while Warne currently has 1.62 ppg after his first 13 league games (which would be 74.52 points over a full season). So by replacing Rosenior with Warne, we will statistically gain an extra 2.76 points over the course of a season (let's call it one extra win).

Might that one extra win be the difference between promotion/play-offs and not?? Sure, it could be. But does that justify having replaced Rosenior so soon?? People will have their own opinions, but a lot of the pressure and expectation on Warne comes imo from people who think that, since we replaced Rosenior so quickly, his replacement should be providing a bigger improvement than is currently the case with Warne.

After all, we've won 3 of the last 10 league games. Will all the Warne super-fans on here be happy with 3 wins in the next 10 league games too??

Rosenior who?

The one that hull fans are moaning about?

Give it a rest.

[Caerphilly Ram]

9 hours ago, Kokosnuss said:

We had no opposition in our last game, kinda helped.

Then the same argument holds truth yesterday? We couldn’t beat Bolton the same way we beat FGR as they are a good side at this level pushing for a play off spot, they offered more of a challenge therefore a point from yesterday’s game is fair.
We move onto the next game on Friday. COYR

[Tyler Durden]

15 hours ago, DB83 said:

A lot of the pressure on Warne imo is coming from people who think that Rosenior was a good manager and should have been persevered with for much longer. After all, this squad (which most on this thread seem to agree is one of the best in this league) was built, as you say, with no transfer fees, no money for agents, etc etc, by Rosenior. Many feel he should therefore have been given more than 9 league games to work with his squad. And if you believe that, then naturally you're going to expect the replacement manager to be a considerable improvement, otherwise why replace Rosenior??

You say: "Let's enjoy what we have, if we make the play-offs great, if we don't we don't". Yes, you're spot on. So why didn't this philosophy apply when Rosenior was in charge too??

You say: "To put into context, who can tell me the last time we had a manager that lasted more than 2 full seasons?? I'm looking forward to judging Warne after 2-3 seasons, not 5 minutes and one restricted transfer window.". Yes, again you're spot on. So why the rush to replace Rosenior?? Why not judge him after 2 full seasons??

On a points per game (ppg) basis, Rosenior had 1.56 ppg after 9 league games with a squad recruited very hastily and under huge restrictions (this would give us 71.76 points over the season), while Warne currently has 1.62 ppg after his first 13 league games (which would be 74.52 points over a full season). So by replacing Rosenior with Warne, we will statistically gain an extra 2.76 points over the course of a season (let's call it one extra win).

Might that one extra win be the difference between promotion/play-offs and not?? Sure, it could be. But does that justify having replaced Rosenior so soon?? People will have their own opinions, but a lot of the pressure and expectation on Warne comes imo from people who think that, since we replaced Rosenior so quickly, his replacement should be providing a bigger improvement than is currently the case with Warne.

After all, we've won 3 of the last 10 league games. Will all the Warne super-fans on here be happy with 3 wins in the next 10 league games too??

 

[CBRammette]

Wasnt too keen on Warne's appointment, liked Liam but not a fan of the endless passing around across the back and thought club PR overly highlighted Paul's personality at the start probably to his detriment with fans like me who found it tedious. Saying Warne favours hoofball is unfair - he obviously wants fast passing moves up pitch but we dont have the players to always do that but when it does work it is great to see.  Little while in I really like him and his team and where we are trying to go as a club. What they have done with rag-tag defensive options during injury period is excellent.  must be so difficult with the ?MM left behind particularly regarding player contract positions under the restrictions etc but we're trying to build nicely and happy with season so far. So much so debut for new bobble hat v Cambridge ??

[YorkshireRam]

14 hours ago, nottingram said:

Now find one we conceded doing it

Just for parity (I didn't dislike Rosenior in any way), Bournmouth's first here:

 

 

[Crewton]

We had some lucky escapes, both last season and earlier this season, when playing out from the back went wrong. Many times it put us under unnecessary pressure and handed the initiative to the opposition when we were otherwise comfortable. 

All I ever wanted the players to do was to use their common sense and recognise that it was too risky when the opposition was pressing us high. If Warne has decided that they're not capable of doing that, I'm fine with us abandoning that tactic in this league. 

[Guest]

The passing round at the back drove me nuts, I absolutely hated it, it would have been fine if we had the personnel to do it without it costing us so many goals and creating so many near misses that buoyed the opposition.

My lad hates Warne’s approach, he thinks it is hoofball.  I have to admit it’s not the best from an entertainment point of view. But For me it is the way to go in this league, we need to win to get out, and if that means winning ugly so be it.

So many of the draws that we have made we almost certainly would have lost in the last couple of minutes last season, how many times did we see that?  We are now much harder to beat and that is a real plus in Warne’s balance sheet.

[Blondest Goat]

2 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

 

100% this.  So tedious that any criticism of football under Warne is met with comments about "passing round the back" under Rosenior.   As if no other style of football is available.  

How we played under the previous manager is totally irrelevant to what we are doing now.  Time for people to move on.

[Jimbo Ram]

5 hours ago, Archied said:

So bottom line is warne doing better than rosenior with rosenior s players

He’s one place above when he took over from LR. But that is now in the past. We have to get behind Warney now, whether we like the style of football or not….