Starting 11 v Oxford

[Dean (hick) Saunders]

Guess fozzy will need to get his crayon out and sign if he wants to be involved..

[Tyler Durden]

Still think we should play Stearman at right back 

[Ambitious]

I need to watch the Berlin game, but I do wonder if Rosenior is trying to be coy with the RB position. 

Knight or Smith offers a defensively sound player, with relatively high quality football ability. It allows him to scheme that player into a lot of favourable matchups - albeit when the backs are against the wall then we will be at a disadvantage over a more conventional RB. 

I guess it does make sense given the quality within the squad and the fact we will be very possession heavy this season. 

[Rampant]

@Big Trav  The FA Cup starts for us in R1. 

[Jimbo Ram]

35 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

Ahh. Sorry buddy. A combination of the heat and so many new signings I can barely keep up. I was still thinking of Chester ahead of Cashin. ??‍?

? no problem Tammers, it is difficult to keep up ??

[Loughborough Ram]

I think you decide which players have to play and then work backwards with what system best suits them and then which of the players that are left, fit into the ramaing places.

Therefore I'd say that Wildsmith, Davies, Bird, Hourihane, McGoldrick and Collins are certain starters.

With that in mind I'd have to go 4-4-2 with McGoldrick floating off Collins. My team would be

G-Wildsmith

RB-Oduro

CH-Davies, Cashin

LB-Roberts

RM-Mendez Laing

CM-Bird, Hourihane

LM-Barkhuizen

CF-McGoldrick, Collins

Harsh on Knight but there's only 11 places and he is battling in the strongest department.

 

[Jimbo Ram]

1 hour ago, Loughborough Ram said:

I think you decide which players have to play and then work backwards with what system best suits them and then which of the players that are left, fit into the ramaing places.

Therefore I'd say that Wildsmith, Davies, Bird, Hourihane, McGoldrick and Collins are certain starters.

With that in mind I'd have to go 4-4-2 with McGoldrick floating off Collins. My team would be

G-Wildsmith

RB-Oduro

CH-Davies, Cashin

LB-Roberts

RM-Mendez Laing

CM-Bird, Hourihane

LM-Barkhuizen

CF-McGoldrick, Collins

Harsh on Knight but there's only 11 places and he is battling in the strongest department.

 

Think I agree with that X1 ??

[brady1993]

2 hours ago, Ambitious said:

I need to watch the Berlin game, but I do wonder if Rosenior is trying to be coy with the RB position. 

Knight or Smith offers a defensively sound player, with relatively high quality football ability. It allows him to scheme that player into a lot of favourable matchups - albeit when the backs are against the wall then we will be at a disadvantage over a more conventional RB. 

I guess it does make sense given the quality within the squad and the fact we will be very possession heavy this season. 

I actually think there is a decent chance at something like this happening after watch us versus Berlin in the first half.

We've shifted tactically from last season. Last season the full backs would push very high, wingers come narrow and the defensive midfielders would split and stay deep. Something like: 

              CB  CB 

         DM           DM

    RB  RW CAM LW  LB

                   CF

This season however it looks like we are going to try to us the fullbacks more auxiliary midfielders. It was noticeable that the full back would stay in a line with Bird when we were in position and come slightly narrow. Hourihane would then push right up, playing close to Mcgoldrick and both winger stayed high and on the touch line.  More like 

              CB  CB 

        RB     DM      LB

             DM  CAM

    RW        CF        LW

So the demands of a full back here wouldn't be the same in fact you'd probably want someone who is comfortable being in midfield (not necessarily a midfielder). So trialing Knight and possibly Smith would make a lot of sense. 

Although what I will say is I'd be very very wary about playing Fozzy with how we currently look to be setting up.

[brady1993]

3 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

Still think we should play Stearman at right back 

That would honestly be a complete disaster waiting to happen with how we are looking to play.

[RoyMac5]

4 hours ago, angieram said:

I think he'll eventually displace Davies.

#unpopularopinion 

Not on yesterdays performance, Davies was excellent. Cashin looked shaky.

Edited July 17, 2022 by RoyMac5

[rammieib]

2 hours ago, Loughborough Ram said:

I think you decide which players have to play and then work backwards with what system best suits them and then which of the players that are left, fit into the ramaing places.

Therefore I'd say that Wildsmith, Davies, Bird, Hourihane, McGoldrick and Collins are certain starters.

With that in mind I'd have to go 4-4-2 with McGoldrick floating off Collins. My team would be

G-Wildsmith

RB-Oduro

CH-Davies, Cashin

LB-Roberts

RM-Mendez Laing

CM-Bird, Hourihane

LM-Barkhuizen

CF-McGoldrick, Collins

Harsh on Knight but there's only 11 places and he is battling in the strongest department.

 

Not saying I disagree but for people demanding £5 million plus for him, how does he not get into the team? 
 

(I’m not sure he’s in Mike either as it stands)

[Tyler Durden]

44 minutes ago, brady1993 said:

That would honestly be a complete disaster waiting to happen with how we are looking to play.

 

[Loughborough Ram]

18 minutes ago, rammieib said:

Not saying I disagree but for people demanding £5 million plus for him, how does he not get into the team? 
 

(I’m not sure he’s in Mike either as it stands)

I left him our with a heavy heart to be honest.

If he signs a new contract then he probably gets in at right back instead of Onuro, but if not then we have to get the Young lad up to speed in my opinion, because we're going to need him.

[Ghost of Clough]

 

1 hour ago, brady1993 said:

I actually think there is a decent chance at something like this happening after watch us versus Berlin in the first half.

We've shifted tactically from last season. Last season the full backs would push very high, wingers come narrow and the defensive midfielders would split and stay deep. Something like: 

              CB  CB 

         DM           DM

    RB  RW CAM LW  LB

                   CF

This season however it looks like we are going to try to us the fullbacks more auxiliary midfielders. It was noticeable that the full back would stay in a line with Bird when we were in position and come slightly narrow. Hourihane would then push right up, playing close to Mcgoldrick and both winger stayed high and on the touch line.  More like 

              CB  CB 

        RB     DM      LB

             DM  CAM

    RW        CF        LW

So the demands of a full back here wouldn't be the same in fact you'd probably want someone who is comfortable being in midfield (not necessarily a midfielder). So trialing Knight and possibly Smith would make a lot of sense. 

Although what I will say is I'd be very very wary about playing Fozzy with how we currently look to be setting up.

Maybe a little bit more like this:

CB   CB

RB       DM           

      DM    AM    LB

RW       CF     LW   

LB push a bit higher and LW tucked in a little bit. At times you'd have crosses from the right with Collins, McGoldrick, Barkhuizen and Forsyth to aim at.

[brady1993]

1 hour ago, Tyler Durden said:

 

That probably teaches me not to start reading a thread with the last page..... ?

[brady1993]

38 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

 

Maybe a little bit more like this:

CB   CB

RB       DM           

      DM    AM    LB

RW       CF     LW   

LB push a bit higher and LW tucked in a little bit. At times you'd have crosses from the right with Collins, McGoldrick, Barkhuizen and Forsyth to aim at.

Maybe yeah? Although I do think Knight Bird and Roberts were virtually in line especially in the first two thirds of the pitch.

I do worry about playing fozzy though if we really expect the left back to be involved in the starting of moves. Roberts, on the other hand looks more than comfortable.

Out of possession is more or less the same shape as last year virtually falling back into a 442.

[BathRam72]

18 hours ago, TheHomunculusLives said:

He might have to unless we sign a senior right back. Naive comment I'm afraid.

 

18 hours ago, TheHomunculusLives said:

Some very ill-mannered people on this forum these days. Perhapts it's the heat.

Eh. It is ok for you to criticise and call someone naive. But when the say your selection is naive you call them ill-mannered? How very odd

[PistoldPete]

6 hours ago, Big Trav said:

People need to also remember we could potentially play up to 60 games this calendar year.m and that’s not including lads who are internationals. You’ve got the league, the pizza cup, the league cup from round 1, the FA cup from round 2 I think. You’ve got potentially another 14-16 games to factor in here. Cashin will get plenty of games as will thommo, knight, sibley, Stretton etc. We still need a good 5-7 more bodies for a complete squad

Play kids in the pizza cup. Kids like pizza.

[Magicman]

7 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Knight at right back? Why?

He plays well there and it accommodates the others in strong line up . He can move forward & Udoruh fills the RB spot but we lose NML or Barkhusien. 

[Shuff264]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said:

 

Maybe a little bit more like this:

CB   CB

RB       DM           

      DM    AM    LB

RW       CF     LW   

LB push a bit higher and LW tucked in a little bit. At times you'd have crosses from the right with Collins, McGoldrick, Barkhuizen and Forsyth to aim at.

I think this is pretty close, I've been at Bradford and Hertha and while we did play slightly differently it was mostly the same.

I think we line up in a 4-2-3-1 without the ball, albeit probably more of a 4-4-2.

The number 10 joins with the strike to press the opposition defence but then drops back once the ball enters the midfield, to prevent us being overrun in the centre.

When building from the back, we shift quite dramatically to create good passing angles - trying to prevent players standing in vertical or horizontal lines with one another.

I think this starts with the left back pushing high, this triggers the left winger to come centrally and pushing the number 10 slightly wider. 

In turn this pushes the right winger slightly deeper and further wide to find space, theres now no room for the right back to overlap in a similar way to the left back so he comes centrally in an under lap.

To cover the left back and allow for the right backs movement, the the midfield two shift left slightly with the one of the two operating in a similar role to the right back.

This creates an almost diamond shape:

The above is more accurate to what I saw at Bradford than what I saw against Hertha so I'm unsure which is more true to how we will play come first game, but it is my interpretation of it so far.