Jimbo Ram Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Let's be honest, Kirchner walked away because of 1 person, according to him. Gibson made reference to everyone taking a hair cut, except for 1 person. And now Nixon is suggesting Ashley is interested but 1 person needs to lower their demands for this to happen. 1 person got us into this mess and 1 person is now standing in the way and his mates at Q at blaming everyone else for the day except him..who is this person I hear you ask... Reminds me of a young Dominic Raab ? MackworthRamIsGod, europia and Ramarena 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Eddie said: Devil's horns Oh, I see, I see, I get the picture ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Rambalin said: So, Ashley speaks to Gibson and says, how much are you looking for? Gibson tells him how much. Ashley says I'm bidding for dcfc so you drop your claim officially and I will offer Mel morris less for the stadium and tie in the administrators for less just as per your open letter then I'll settle our agreement with you privately....... Too devious? Ram-Alf, RadioactiveWaste and whiteroseram 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Just now, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: So, Ashley speaks to Gibson and says, how much are you looking for? Gibson tells him how much. Ashley says I'm bidding for dcfc so you drop your claim officially and I will offer Mel morris less for the stadium and tie in the administrators for less just as per your open letter then I'll settle our agreement with you privately....... Too devious? Might be close to how it is…Mel drops the stadium price by 10 mill which ends up in the make believe fund…. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 The absolute clown show that is the EFL would be at its absolute peak if they allowed us to liquidate and then start again in League Two. Talk about wanting their cake and eating it too. I would hazard a guess that Derby County have been on TV significantly more so than any other team in the Championship this year? It seems like we've been on TV for roughly a third of our games. We are a cash cow to them and they're willing to throw their entire league structure so that they can guarantee we would be a league club and they can continue to milk us? It's obviously good for us, honestly if it's a case of League One with a ton of debt and potential point deductions in the future due to the administration process or liquidation and a start again in League Two with a clean slate then obviously the latter makes a ton more sense. I just find it laughable how badly they're trying to screw us, now they're worried we could go bust they're wanting to protect their own investment. Rancid. twelveincher, SaffyRam, curb and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Have I missed something, other than Nixon’s comments, but where has the EFL given any indication that worst case we won’t go lower than D2 if we are liquidated? They won’t have I am sure, and they won’t even consider such an option until everything else has been exhausted and liquidation is the only step left. richinspain, RadioactiveWaste, CBRammette and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 I'm not entirly convinced a phoenix Derby County post liquidation would be granted a League 2 entry - it's something the other league clubs would have to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram a lamb a ding dong Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Tbf isn't everyone overreacting? We have 1 registered bid, hopefully with another 1 or 2 in the next few days. Admin will then determine best in terms ability to pay creditors. Beanies are proposing Mel keeping ground (at the mo) and deal with spurious claims at a later date. Can't see why everyone so twitchy r_wilcockson, Papahet, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Have I missed something, other than Nixon’s comments, but where has the EFL given any indication that worst case we won’t go lower than D2 if we are liquidated? They won’t have I am sure, and they won’t even consider such an option until everything else has been exhausted and liquidation is the only step left. I presumed it's along the lines of how the Govt work nowadays. Put out a plan to see the reaction and then adjust accordingly. As soon as there were talks of 'pragmatic' solutions you could see the settlement solutions being worked out. Just pay the weasels at Boro and Wycombe a 25% they suggest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram a lamb a ding dong Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 If no bids had been made that is a different story altogether. As things stand by advising EFL that claims will be taken on and they avoid having to make a decision means that none of the EFL clubs will ve affected and have to interfere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram a lamb a ding dong Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Let's be fair whoever takes on the club with risk of additional claims knows full well they have nothing to worry about. That is why Ashley is keeping his powder dry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curb Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Have I missed something, other than Nixon’s comments, but where has the EFL given any indication that worst case we won’t go lower than D2 if we are liquidated? They won’t have I am sure, and they won’t even consider such an option until everything else has been exhausted and liquidation is the only step left. Nixon’s being fed the gospel according to Parry. RoyMac5 and i-Ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 55 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Let's be honest, Kirchner walked away because of 1 person, according to him. Gibson made reference to everyone taking a hair cut, except for 1 person. And now Nixon is suggesting Ashley is interested but 1 person needs to lower their demands for this to happen. 1 person got us into this mess and 1 person is now standing in the way and his mates at Q at blaming everyone else for the day except him..who is this person I hear you ask... "Hi kids, do you like signings? Wanna see me sign 9 new players each summer on high wages? Wanna copy me and do exactly like I did? Fail P&S and repeatedly try to hide it?" Andrew3000, rams_man, Ramathorn and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Tamworthram said: Surely if HMRC were to reject the deal then there wouldn’t be any “further down the line”. The deal would be dead as it needs to be accepted by a sufficient percentage of creditors. No, a restucturing arrangment could force them to accept it if the offer is better for them than liquidation. But that needs court approval. It really doesnt help Gibson digging his oar in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 41 minutes ago, Ambitious said: The absolute clown show that is the EFL would be at its absolute peak if they allowed us to liquidate and then start again in League Two. Talk about wanting their cake and eating it too. I would hazard a guess that Derby County have been on TV significantly more so than any other team in the Championship this year? It seems like we've been on TV for roughly a third of our games. We are a cash cow to them and they're willing to throw their entire league structure so that they can guarantee we would be a league club and they can continue to milk us? It's obviously good for us, honestly if it's a case of League One with a ton of debt and potential point deductions in the future due to the administration process or liquidation and a start again in League Two with a clean slate then obviously the latter makes a ton more sense. I just find it laughable how badly they're trying to screw us, now they're worried we could go bust they're wanting to protect their own investment. Rancid. All true but they don’t want the obvious criticism that’s flowing about everything they do or don’t do either from the politicians or high profile media or standard normal football followers but this is their mess and they own it. Obviously I mean the handling and the direction everything has taken because of their sheer incompetence in my humble opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 38 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Have I missed something, other than Nixon’s comments, but where has the EFL given any indication that worst case we won’t go lower than D2 if we are liquidated? They won’t have I am sure, and they won’t even consider such an option until everything else has been exhausted and liquidation is the only step left. Within the next ten days then i-Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: No, a restucturing arrangment could force them to accept it if the offer is better for them than liquidation. But that needs court approval. It really doesnt help Gibson digging his oar in. Are you sure? Not my specialist subject but a Google search came back with these: “A scheme requires approval by at least 75% in value of each class of the members or creditors who vote on the scheme” Also, why would they object if the alternative is liquidation and why could it be problem “further down the line” if they have to accept it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 41 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I presumed it's along the lines of how the Govt work nowadays. Put out a plan to see the reaction and then adjust accordingly. As soon as there were talks of 'pragmatic' solutions you could see the settlement solutions being worked out. Just pay the weasels at Boro and Wycombe a 25% they suggest? Ah. Thanks Roy, but you could have saved yourself 52 words and just said ‘I presumed’ ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, richinspain said: Yes, I would think that the EFL want some kind of assurance that the results of their kangaroo court hearing will be adhered to. And the debt is enforceable against someone other than dcfc, or it's simply back into administration..... ? richinspain and Oldben 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 On 22/01/2022 at 10:58, ollycutts1982 said: You are Steve Gibson and I claim my Lady Godiva. Paid in full. ollycutts1982 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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