The Administration Thread

[ram59]

3 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

I don't know the full details of Peterborough's case or how much rent they pay but, as I see it, they haven't broken any rules so you can't accuse the EFL of treating us worse than them. 

If you think back to our circumstances, if Mel's company that owned PP had gone into administration but not Derby County then we wouldn't have been treated in the same was as we were.

I'd have loved to see either MM or the administrators challenge our punishments in court, I suspect that we'd still be in the championship.

Remember, we were given a 9 point penalty for a practice that wasn't illegal until February of last year. In addition, other clubs have been allowed a relaxation of financial practises due to COVID, no such allowance had been given to Derby. Other clubs have been allowed to bring action against Derby, against League rules.

[Elwood P Dowd]

1 hour ago, ram59 said:

I'd have loved to see either MM or the administrators challenge our punishments in court, I suspect that we'd still be in the championship.

Remember, we were given a 9 point penalty for a practice that wasn't illegal until February of last year. In addition, other clubs have been allowed a relaxation of financial practises due to COVID, no such allowance had been given to Derby. Other clubs have been allowed to bring action against Derby, against League rules.

The EFL, consistanty inconsistant 🙄

Edited March 29, 2023 by Elwood P Dowd

[Ram-Alf]

3 hours ago, ram59 said:

I'd have loved to see either MM or the administrators challenge our punishments in court, I suspect that we'd still be in the championship.

Remember, we were given a 9 point penalty for a practice that wasn't illegal until February of last year. In addition, other clubs have been allowed a relaxation of financial practises due to COVID, no such allowance had been given to Derby. Other clubs have been allowed to bring action against Derby, against League rules.

And so would I

Didn't the EFL and Quantuma agree that if DCFC/Quantuma agreed to the punishment and not to appeal the points deduction all would be fine with the punishment being final, Then of course there was the 2 Ba*****s clubs that were helped on their way to further their action against us...with the help of the EFL.

I'm with B4 with his disdain of those at Preston HQ 😡 

[ilkleyram]

5 hours ago, ram59 said:

I'd have loved to see either MM or the administrators challenge our punishments in court, I suspect that we'd still be in the championship.

Remember, we were given a 9 point penalty for a practice that wasn't illegal until February of last year. In addition, other clubs have been allowed a relaxation of financial practises due to COVID, no such allowance had been given to Derby. Other clubs have been allowed to bring action against Derby, against League rules.

Me too in theory, but MM had run out of time (and the money he was prepared to spend without outside assistance, which wasn't coming from any reputable source) and had the Administrators taken it to the courts we would probably still be in administration now and out of the league given the time it would have taken to get a court judgement.  And both probably concluded that in taking anything to court ever there is a risk that you lose, a risk they weren't prepared to take.

[B4ev6is]

2 hours ago, The Last Post said:

And so would I

Didn't the EFL and Quantuma agree that if DCFC/Quantuma agreed to the punishment and not to appeal the points deduction all would be fine with the punishment being final, Then of course there was the 2 Ba*****s clubs that were helped on their way to further their action against us...with the help of the EFL.evet

I'm with B4 with his disdain of those at Preston HQ 😡 

I dont know how they can class this as a fresh start while others get away with everything.

[ram59]

1 hour ago, ilkleyram said:

Me too in theory, but MM had run out of time (and the money he was prepared to spend without outside assistance, which wasn't coming from any reputable source) and had the Administrators taken it to the courts we would probably still be in administration now and out of the league given the time it would have taken to get a court judgement.  And both probably concluded that in taking anything to court ever there is a risk that you lose, a risk they weren't prepared to take.

Unfortunately, the administrators had neither the time nor the funds within the club, to fight the EFL and the 2 Bamford clubs. It's telling that the Bamford from up north threatened Villa, who actually gained from breaching the FFP and would easily be able to pay a few million, only for Villa to say 'see you in court'. Obviously no action was taken against them as they didn't have a leg to stand on.

The EFL and the other 2 have taken advantage of our situation, knowing that the sale and with it the very survival of the club was dependent upon us accepting their demands. I hope that misfortune falls upon all those involved. The punishment that our club has received far exceeds the 'crime'.

MM had bent the rules somewhat, but no more than many of the clubs who got promoted and others with deeper pockets to sustain the losses. MM's downfall was down to a lot of bad luck with injuries and the £20m+ hit from Covid. Without Covid I would have thought that we wouldn't have gone into administration, but would have had a 6 or 9 point deduction somewhere down the line. MM would have had more time to sell the club to someone who actually could afford it.

[DavesaRam]

32 minutes ago, ram59 said:

Unfortunately, the administrators had neither the time nor the funds within the club, to fight the EFL and the 2 Bamford clubs. It's telling that the Bamford from up north threatened Villa, who actually gained from breaching the FFP and would easily be able to pay a few million, only for Villa to say 'see you in court'. Obviously no action was taken against them as they didn't have a leg to stand on.

The EFL and the other 2 have taken advantage of our situation, knowing that the sale and with it the very survival of the club was dependent upon us accepting their demands. I hope that misfortune falls upon all those involved. The punishment that our club has received far exceeds the 'crime'.

MM had bent the rules somewhat, but no more than many of the clubs who got promoted and others with deeper pockets to sustain the losses. MM's downfall was down to a lot of bad luck with injuries and the £20m+ hit from Covid. Without Covid I would have thought that we wouldn't have gone into administration, but would have had a 6 or 9 point deduction somewhere down the line. MM would have had more time to sell the club to someone who actually could afford it.

In the end Mel's demise was triggered by Frank Lampard throwing the play-off final so he could go to Chelsea. And then kept us dangling on a string all summer until the transfer window was already swinging shut. If we had won that match, which we could and should have done, we would have walked away from all the financial limitations, just as Villa did to some degree. Whether Mel would have stopped his dodgy activities or not we will never know, but we should have had the chance.

[Carl Sagan]

46 minutes ago, DavesaRam said:

In the end Mel's demise was triggered by Frank Lampard throwing the play-off final so he could go to Chelsea. And then kept us dangling on a string all summer until the transfer window was already swinging shut. If we had won that match, which we could and should have done, we would have walked away from all the financial limitations, just as Villa did to some degree. Whether Mel would have stopped his dodgy activities or not we will never know, but we should have had the chance.

The only reason Villa even had a shout at the playoffs was because they broke the bank and all the rules to bring in Tammy Abraham, and shot up the division as a result. We refused to break the rules so flagrantly, so didn't take him, even though his was the one position that we needed to really guarantee promotion. Though, looking back, any team with Mount and Tomori really should have gone up. And I think we would have had Chelsea not broken with normal protocol to let both players turn out against them in the cup. Mount could hardly walk but was desperate to play, and the damage he did to himself that night lasted around half a season to my mind.

Very fine margins and chance occurrences kept us from getting that opportunity and led us here.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Carl Sagan

[Tyler Durden]

1 hour ago, ram59 said:

Unfortunately, the administrators had neither the time nor the funds within the club, to fight the EFL and the 2 Bamford clubs. It's telling that the Bamford from up north threatened Villa, who actually gained from breaching the FFP and would easily be able to pay a few million, only for Villa to say 'see you in court'. Obviously no action was taken against them as they didn't have a leg to stand on.

The EFL and the other 2 have taken advantage of our situation, knowing that the sale and with it the very survival of the club was dependent upon us accepting their demands. I hope that misfortune falls upon all those involved. The punishment that our club has received far exceeds the 'crime'.

MM had bent the rules somewhat, but no more than many of the clubs who got promoted and others with deeper pockets to sustain the losses. MM's downfall was down to a lot of bad luck with injuries and the £20m+ hit from Covid. Without Covid I would have thought that we wouldn't have gone into administration, but would have had a 6 or 9 point deduction somewhere down the line. MM would have had more time to sell the club to someone who actually could afford it.

MMs downfall was nothing to do with Covid or injuries it was him recklessly gambling the future of the club against an outcome that was never realised.

Which for a supposedly responsible owner in charge of the stewardship of the club is an absolute disgrace. 

[Ram-Alf]

Circumstances conspired to feck us up, Mason Mount missing for circa 10 games, A 6' 6" keeper out done by a 5' 6" midfielder in the final, A manager that didn't play his best forward at the time in the final, Pretty boy swanning around the Med with friends while we hung on to any tiny bit of news of when he's going to feck off, Decision made and the poor Dutchman given no time to get his shyte together.

Hence the beginning and end of our demise, The rebuild has started with a man who's got DCFC at his heart, From little acorns do mighty oaks grow, Might not be this season...but it will happen 👍

[PistoldPete]

1 hour ago, The Last Post said:

Circumstances conspired to feck us up, Mason Mount missing for circa 10 games, A 6' 6" keeper out done by a 5' 6" midfielder in the final, A manager that didn't play his best forward at the time in the final, Pretty boy swanning around the Med with friends while we hung on to any tiny bit of news of when he's going to feck off, Decision made and the poor Dutchman given no time to get his shyte together.

Hence the beginning and end of our demise, The rebuild has started with a man who's got DCFC at his heart, From little acorns do mighty oaks grow, Might not be this season...but it will happen 👍

I hope you're right Alf, (except for the "might not be this season " bit.  

[SirBrian]

Hope it is this season and we will be over our blip, talking to Wednesday fans they had won the league 3 games ago!! Barnsley good run ended midweek with defeat, so lets hope that we can go on a winning run and become the form team,

Sunshine is what we want and the rain soddened grounds to dry out, for the heavy ground is not good for ageing players it drains their tired legs. Horse racing is the same the horses are not running to form at all over the past few weeks, through the heavy going.

 

[hintonsboots]

37 minutes ago, SirBrian said:

Hope it is this season and we will be over our blip, talking to Wednesday fans they had won the league 3 games ago!! Barnsley good run ended midweek with defeat, so lets hope that we can go on a winning run and become the form team,

Sunshine is what we want and the rain soddened grounds to dry out, for the heavy ground is not good for ageing players it drains their tired legs. Horse racing is the same the horses are not running to form at all over the past few weeks, through the heavy going.

 

Well I had 4 winners in the ITV7 yesterday.

[Ram-Alf]

12 hours ago, PistoldPete said:

I hope you're right Alf, (except for the "might not be this season " bit.  

There's an old saying Pete "you have to be cruel to be kind" I'll lose no sleep if we miss out on either the play offs, Get to the play offs or lose the final, We've had this before under the wee Scotsman, We were promoted and slaughtered in the season back to the PL...11points 😡.

Also "you don't look a gift horse in the mouth" so if by some luck/judgement we do get promoted then you grab what you have, Another season in League1 will not be a disaster imo, This season has been a big learning curve, We as fans now know what this division is all about, PW is well aware of what this division is about, We now need those players with the experience of this division, Attitude and character to make a go of it next season.

I had a good conversation with a coach that works at Moor Farm 2 days ago(not the 1st team)we spoke about the Women's team and the cost of promotion if they were to go up...£500k 😬, He showed me a picture of his friend(Punjabi Rams)with a DCFC flag at the side of Forests Red bus at the weekend at PP...there must be a picture out there on twitter I guess, Also on the 1st team squads fitness where we all have mentioned we look tired, A nod and a wink confirmed our thoughts.

A small squad and with no new faces in January could be our undoing...time will tell 😉  

[ram59]

16 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

MMs downfall was nothing to do with Covid or injuries it was him recklessly gambling the future of the club against an outcome that was never realised.

Which for a supposedly responsible owner in charge of the stewardship of the club is an absolute disgrace. 

What a ridiculous statement to make regarding Covid, you can't possibly say that suddenly losing nearly £30m of income had no effect on the business. Yes, I agree that the business was vulnerable because MM's actions, but without Covid the club would not have gone into administration at that time. If he had continued in the same manner, then it would have happened at a later date, but there were signs that we were starting to reduce the wages before administration, when high earning players were not replaced.

[Chellaston Ram]

2 hours ago, SirBrian said:

Hope it is this season and we will be over our blip, talking to Wednesday fans they had won the league 3 games ago!! Barnsley good run ended midweek with defeat, so lets hope that we can go on a winning run and become the form team,

Sunshine is what we want and the rain soddened grounds to dry out, for the heavy ground is not good for ageing players it drains their tired legs. Horse racing is the same the horses are not running to form at all over the past few weeks, through the heavy going.

 

The time to hit form is at the end of the season just in time for the playoffs 

[Tyler Durden]

5 hours ago, ram59 said:

What a ridiculous statement to make regarding Covid, you can't possibly say that suddenly losing nearly £30m of income had no effect on the business. Yes, I agree that the business was vulnerable because MM's actions, but without Covid the club would not have gone into administration at that time. If he had continued in the same manner, then it would have happened at a later date, but there were signs that we were starting to reduce the wages before administration, when high earning players were not replaced.

Covid just accelerated the inevitable conclusion that Morris has already orchestrated. Damage was done long before Covid started.

If you find that statement ridiculous then genuinely can't help you any. 

[ram59]

42 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

Covid just accelerated the inevitable conclusion that Morris has already orchestrated. Damage was done long before Covid started.

If you find that statement ridiculous then genuinely can't help you any. 

Make your mind up, you can't say Covid had nothing to do with it and then say that covid accelerated it.

[DavesaRam]

7 hours ago, The Last Post said:

There's an old saying Pete "you have to be cruel to be kind" I'll lose no sleep if we miss out on either the play offs, Get to the play offs or lose the final, We've had this before under the wee Scotsman, We were promoted and slaughtered in the season back to the PL...11points 😡.

Also "you don't look a gift horse in the mouth" so if by some luck/judgement we do get promoted then you grab what you have, Another season in League1 will not be a disaster imo, This season has been a big learning curve, We as fans now know what this division is all about, PW is well aware of what this division is about, We now need those players with the experience of this division, Attitude and character to make a go of it next season.

I had a good conversation with a coach that works at Moor Farm 2 days ago(not the 1st team)we spoke about the Women's team and the cost of promotion if they were to go up...£500k 😬, He showed me a picture of his friend(Punjabi Rams)with a DCFC flag at the side of Forests Red bus at the weekend at PP...there must be a picture out there on twitter I guess, Also on the 1st team squads fitness where we all have mentioned we look tired, A nod and a wink confirmed our thoughts.

A small squad and with no new faces in January could be our undoing...time will tell 😉  

But the reason we were slaughtered is because Billy sabotaged our season before it even started. He is famously quoted as saying at Wembley  "It should have been Preston's ribbons being tied on the trophy". He then went on holiday for who knows how many weeks, so when he finally set about bringing in Premiership quality players, they'd all been signed up, and we had to make do with what was left (ie the ones nobody else wanted). In addition he tried to take on the Premiership teams with his hoof-ball tactics, which only worked the once when Wimbledon surprised everybody with those tactics), and most certainly don't work when all you've got are Championship quality players. And in the middle of all that he started engineering his dismissal with regular statements to the media about needing the club to back him, when there was actually very little more they could do. He was duly sacked, leaving Paul Porno to take over the reigns of the hamstrung horse.

[Mucker1884]

22 hours ago, The Last Post said:

... mighty oaks...