IslandExile Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 15 minutes ago, alram said: no issue with the club, my issue remains with mel morris as he fades into the background completely unaccountable for the money he has cost the tax payer True... And himself. Carl Sagan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 1 minute ago, IslandExile said: True... And himself. Think we have paid back more than the likes of Fester and Southampton did haven’t we ? Certainly won’t be lectured by cheating QPR fans…. Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, alram said: no issue with the club, my issue remains with mel morris as he fades into the background completely unaccountable for the money he has cost the tax payer If Mrs Morris has the same cheery demeanour as Mrs VdM, the fact that he's dropped 125m will be remembered and periodically brought up for decades..... ? Jourdan, Sparkle, RoyMac5 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 6 hours ago, alram said: i dont think its anything to brag about to be honest. yes they were wrong but all of us as tax payers have still been shafted. Mel morris should be put forward to a jury as should every other businessman that willingly doesnt pay a tax bill. it should be a criminal offence, and people shouldnt be allowed to hide behind limited companies I'm "bragging" about being right when a bunch of Forest and Bristol trolls were wrong. I'd like to say I'm sorry if that upsets you, but I'm not. As reprehensible as Mel Morris' failure to pay the bills he ran up is, if you think that the missing £20m would have ended up in Nurses pay packets, hospital beds, increased universal credit payments or even the pockets of basic rate taxpayers, you might want to do a little more research into the policies of the Conservative Party. But well done for criticising something I didn't say. May Contain Nuts, Comrade 86 and Stive Pesley 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Crewton said: I'm "bragging" about being right when a bunch of Forest and Bristol trolls were wrong. I'd like to say I'm sorry if that upsets you, but I'm not. As reprehensible as Mel Morris' failure to pay the bills he ran up is, if you think that the missing £20m would have ended up in Nurses pay packets, hospital beds, increased universal credit payments or even the pockets of basic rate taxpayers, you might want to do a little more research into the policies of the Conservative Party. But well done for criticising something I didn't say. It would barely even pay for West Ham's stewarding costs Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 7 hours ago, alram said: no issue with the club, my issue remains with mel morris as he fades into the background completely unaccountable for the money he has cost the tax payer He was owner or The Derby County Football Club Limited. The "Limited " bit refers to "limited liability".. a legal status established since "The Limited Liability Act 1855". If you don't like that law, well it could be your turn next to be Prime Minister and you could change the law. RoyMac5 and David Graham Brown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 It's done, it's gone, let it lie. Mel got out, we survived, we can look forward to a hopeful future. The damage is obvious, the trauma still fresh, but we're still here and moving on. We'll sweep out the ashes in the morning. uttoxram75, Ram-Alf, Mucker1884 and 5 others 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Technically speaking MM is responsible for the shortfall of money due to HMRC, but on the flip side, how much of the £125M that he wrote off, ended up in the pockets of HMRC through taxation of the players wages and such like? sage and David Graham Brown 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curb Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 11 hours ago, alram said: it still doesn't excuse it however miniscule it is in terms of full tax collection. tens of millions of pounds has the potential to change Boris’s mates lives for the better. To have it written off leaves a bitter taste FIFY RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 15 hours ago, alram said: i dont think its anything to brag about to be honest. yes they were wrong but all of us as tax payers have still been shafted. Mel morris should be put forward to a jury as should every other businessman that willingly doesnt pay a tax bill. it should be a criminal offence, and people shouldnt be allowed to hide behind limited companies But that's like saying I've been shafted as I had to subside the massive government furlough scheme during Covid when I wasn't eligible for a payout, ditto the government subsidies on utility bills when I'm fortunate enough not to need the handout which is coming out of my taxes anyway whether I like it or not, ditto the government bailing out Bulb or the RBS and so on. Am still in two minds to believe whether Morris was deliberately racking up the debts in the knowledge that he couldn't underwrite them or he was totally oblivious to the mess he was making. Not sure which one is the lesser of the two evils. It does leave a sour taste in my mouth as I know we will be bracketed with clubs like Leicester for dodging debts by going into administration. David Graham Brown, Carl Sagan and Crewton 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Tyler Durden said: But that's like saying I've been shafted as I had to subside the massive government furlough scheme during Covid when I wasn't eligible for a payout, ditto the government subsidies on utility bills when I'm fortunate enough not to need the handout which is coming out of my taxes anyway whether I like it or not, ditto the government bailing out Bulb or the RBS and so on. Am still in two minds to believe whether Morris was deliberately racking up the debts in the knowledge that he couldn't underwrite them or he was totally oblivious to the mess he was making. Not sure which one is the lesser of the two evils. It does leave a sour taste in my mouth as I know we will be bracketed with clubs like Leicester for dodging debts by going into administration. Yup but the big difference that Leicester did dodge their debts whilst getting promotion in a stadium they have never paid for and keeping players they couldn’t afford. Ram-Alf, darren22, RoyMac5 and 4 others 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Reggie Greenwood said: Yup but the big difference that Leicester did dodge their debts whilst getting promotion in a stadium they have never paid for and keeping players they couldn’t afford. Am aware of that. Other less enlightenment football aficionados might not be though as just tar us with the same brush. Which is down to their ignorance. I'd rather have wished we didn't go into administration at all. But that's all to do with our previous owner. Reggie Greenwood and Carl Sagan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 12 hours ago, PistoldPete said: He was owner or The Derby County Football Club Limited. The "Limited " bit refers to "limited liability".. a legal status established since "The Limited Liability Act 1855". If you don't like that law, well it could be your turn next to be Prime Minister and you could change the law. And he also had his duties as a director under the law. I would be surprised if HMRC arent looking at whether they can bring a case as this was so high profile. They may not succeed even if they do but dont expect him to be totally off the hook yet. Accountancy/tax press (yes sad I know) full of such cases Mucker1884 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, CBRammette said: And he also had his duties as a director under the law. I would be surprised if HMRC arent looking at whether they can bring a case as this was so high profile. They may not succeed even if they do but dont expect him to be totally off the hook yet. Accountancy/tax press (yes sad I know) full of such cases So they can (theoretically at least) accept a 25% offer from the company, via the legal admin process, and then subsequently take the individual to court for more? ?♂️ Interesting! Did you know that, @BaldyMel? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 21 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said: So they can (theoretically at least) accept a 25% offer from the company, via the legal admin process, and then subsequently take the individual to court for more? ?♂️ Interesting! Did you know that, @BaldyMel? ? No not to get money Mucker1884 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 33 minutes ago, CBRammette said: No not to get money Oh, right! Jail? ? ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, CBRammette said: And he also had his duties as a director under the law. I would be surprised if HMRC arent looking at whether they can bring a case as this was so high profile. They may not succeed even if they do but dont expect him to be totally off the hook yet. Accountancy/tax press (yes sad I know) full of such cases Quantuma, as any insolvency practitioner would be required to do, did a review of things and reported that they found no "ethical issues", leave alone any legal ones. HMRC did very well out of the Rams for quite a few years.. they also got a windfall by Morris selling the stadium "to himself" as some in the media put it. Four million pounds in stamp duty thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleover ram Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 We got quite a lot of stick from other fans (particularly Wycombe) for not selling the likes of Knight, Sibley, Bird during our admin. It would have barely made a dent in the money owed and would have devalued the team even further RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 16 hours ago, Rev said: We'll sweep out the ashes in the morning. I'm just gonna run through this thread quickly and see if this is the first Gram Parsons reference. Stive Pesley and Rev 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: I'm just gonna run through this thread quickly and see if this is the first Gram Parsons reference. Or actually Carl Butler and Pearl https://secondhandsongs.com/performance/269637 ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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