Time wasting

[Malty]

Sorry, another thread from me after watching my first live game on a couple years….

One thing I noticed on Saturday was the level of time wasting that the Blackburn players did. Every time someone went down two physios (why two?) trotted onto the pitch. They treated the “injured” player for at least a minute, probably two or three and then trotted off whilst the other players hung around waiting. 

On one occasion, early in the second half, Sam Gallagher was down for probably three minutes apparently being treated. Meanwhile many of the Blackburn players were getting told by their manager what to do about Derby’s new formation. So much so that one guy (their left back) got waved over - clearly hadn’t realised the tactic - to get further instructions on what to do. For me as a fan it was infuriating that the referee did very little about it until very late on and I’m sure that the five minutes of extra time was not nearly enough against the level of time wasting.

I guess if it was Derby doing it then I’d turn a blind eye to it, but I really think that the football authorities need to look very hard at this gamesmanship and start handing  out bookings for obvious time wasting in future.

 

Just my view. Perhaps it’s just sour grapes?

Edited November 1, 2021 by Malty

[angieram]

1 minute ago, Malty said:

Sorry, another thread from me after watching my first live game on a couple years….

One thing I noticed on Saturday was the level of time wasting that the Blackburn players did. Every time someone went down two physios (why two?) trotted onto the pitch. They treated the “injured” player for at least a minute, probably two or three and then trotted off whilst the other players hung around waiting. 

On one occasion, early in the second half, Sam Gallagher was down for probably three minutes apparently being treated. Meanwhile many of the Blackburn players were getting told by their manager what to do about Derby’s new formation. So much so that one guy (their left back) got waved over - clearly hadn’t realised the tactic - to get further instructions on what to do. For me as a fan it was infuriating that the referee did very little about it until very late on and I’m sure that the five minutes of extra time was not nearly enough against the level of time wasting.

I guess if it was Derby doing it then I’d turn a blind eye to it, but I really think that the football authorities need to look very hard at this gamesmanship and start hanging out bookings for obvious time wasting in future.

 

Just my view. Perhaps it’s just sour grapes?

At the beginning of the season they were told to clamp down on it, and I think in one of our games (when we were the guilty party) 7 minutes were added. Seems to have slipped a bit as the season has gone on.

How their goalkeeper didn't get booked for time-wasting, I'll never know. But I clap when Roos or Allsop dive on the ball, so I am a bit of a hypocrite.

Blackburn were particularly blatant with it, I thought. 

 

[Sparkle]

It is supposed to be entertaining isn’t it ? - all time wasting should be added on - tickets are expensive enough without paying to watch people feign injury. I can watch TV for that 

[Ellafella]

17 minutes ago, Malty said:

Sorry, another thread from me after watching my first live game on a couple years….

One thing I noticed on Saturday was the level of time wasting that the Blackburn players did. Every time someone went down two physios (why two?) trotted onto the pitch. They treated the “injured” player for at least a minute, probably two or three and then trotted off whilst the other players hung around waiting. 

On one occasion, early in the second half, Sam Gallagher was down for probably three minutes apparently being treated. Meanwhile many of the Blackburn players were getting told by their manager what to do about Derby’s new formation. So much so that one guy (their left back) got waved over - clearly hadn’t realised the tactic - to get further instructions on what to do. For me as a fan it was infuriating that the referee did very little about it until very late on and I’m sure that the five minutes of extra time was not nearly enough against the level of time wasting.

I guess if it was Derby doing it then I’d turn a blind eye to it, but I really think that the football authorities need to look very hard at this gamesmanship and start handing  out bookings for obvious time wasting in future.

 

Just my view. Perhaps it’s just sour grapes?

Indeed. To paraphrase Bradley Johnson , “we showed a lot of character 2nd half to hold on to 3 points”. It’s tantamount to cheating really. Perhaps Wayne needs to do a Ferguson and stand there with his finger pointing to his watch. But, we only have ourselves to blame after an inept first half. I think our last couple of first half displays are showing signs of “burnout” - a symptom of psychological fatigue as a result of chronic hypertension. In short, our players need a break. Time for more rotation and rest especially of Jozwiak, Sibley, Lawrence. The impact of having a restricted squad size is starting to show. 

[Rev]

In these days of VAR and 4th officials, maybe it's time to take timekeeping out of the officials hands? 

5 minutes of time added on Saturday, one minute of play, 3 minutes while a Blackburn player received treatment, then another minute of play before the ref blew the whistle.

Even if we let the referee decide how much time to add, and technology then took over and decided on the final whistle would be an improvement.

[EtoileSportiveDeDerby]

1 minute ago, Rev said:

In these days of VAR and 4th officials, maybe it's time to take timekeeping out of the officials hands? 

5 minutes of time added on Saturday, one minute of play, 3 minutes while a Blackburn player received treatment, then another minute of play before the ref blew the whistle.

Even if we let the referee decide how much time to add, and technology then took over and decided on the final whistle would be an improvement.

No need for clever tech.  Basketball do it, Rugby do it. Ball is out of play, clock is off. Keeper holds on to the ball for too long, book him. Job done.

[hintonsboots]

Should have time off as in Rugby. The ref stops the watch as soon as a substitution is indicated. The player being substituted could then crawl off the pitch at 0.1 mph with no advantage being gained.

[Phoenix]

Many years ago one of the National papers, possibly the Express, did an analysis of how much time the ball was actually in play, so pratting about, deciding which opposition player to throw the ball to,etc, was excluded. They'd just pick one game a week and do the timings. I think it averaged about 60 minutes.

And that was before the modern trend of feigning injuries etc.

[uttoxram75]

There's always a bit of time wasting from the team in front to a certain extent but its the blatant feigning injury that riles. Blackburns use of this tactic was particularly irritating on Saturday.

Weak, scared referees who daren't challenge it, or at least add the correct time on are to blame although some managers are more prone to use it as a tactic than others. Every time we built up a head of steam during the 2nd half a Blackburn player went down like he'd been shot.  

Although we didn't deserve a point over the full game I came out the ground absolutely peed off with it all. It was a great end to a poor game and we could easily have snatched a draw but throwing yourself to the floor to gain an advantage (and possibly get an opponent in trouble) is shitehousery from both player and manager of the worst kind.

Take the timekeeping away from the ref for a season to see if it stops some of it.

[ilkleyram]

58 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said:

There's always a bit of time wasting from the team in front to a certain extent but its the blatant feigning injury that riles. Blackburns use of this tactic was particularly irritating on Saturday.

Weak, scared referees who daren't challenge it, or at least add the correct time on are to blame although some managers are more prone to use it as a tactic than others. Every time we built up a head of steam during the 2nd half a Blackburn player went down like he'd been shot.  

Although we didn't deserve a point over the full game I came out the ground absolutely peed off with it all. It was a great end to a poor game and we could easily have snatched a draw but throwing yourself to the floor to gain an advantage (and possibly get an opponent in trouble) is shitehousery from both player and manager of the worst kind.

Take the timekeeping away from the ref for a season to see if it stops some of it.

Weak, scared referees accurately describe most of the officials we see - the referee on Saturday escorted a Blackburn player being substituted when he should have been pointing him towards the nearest touchline 10 yards away to speed things up; they’ve completely given up on foul throws or taking the throw from where the ball goes out; I’ve seen one indirect free kick for obstruction in 10 seasons; and the worst thing they ignore is the sly kicking the ball away or interference to stop the opposition taking a quick free kick or to slow the game down

Referees today are fitter, better looked after, better trained and equipped, have less to do and are twice as incompetent as the well meaning amateur of yesteryear (apart from the crook in Madrid) - nothing to do with them making individual errors because they're human and largely honest but everything to do with their inability to do their job properly ie run the match according to all the laws of the game not just some of them.

[The Key Club King]

I can see why grassroots football is struggling to recruit refs. Players feigning injury is almost impossible to prove with 100% certainty and clubs know this and instruct their players to go down to break the rythmn of the game when holding out for a win. Derby County do the same and we tolerate it when we are winning. This is not the referee's fault, it is the players who are cheating and given what happened to Christian Eriksson in the summer anybody feigning injury should be utterly ashamed of themselves. Boy who cried wolf and all that.

[Crewton]

The ref on Saturday didn't clamp down on Blackburn's tactics at all. He allowed their keeper to take one FK a good 15 yards further forward than the infringement, failed to book one of their players who stood a yard away to block a quick FK and failed to add on the time lost when their keeper was "injured" in stoppage time. That's just 3 examples - I reckon I could recall another dozen - it's an absolute joke. Yes, all teams do it, but some teams are really pushing it and the FA needs to lay down the law to the referee's association. It's cheating the paying public. 

[Rammiesdad]

9 hours ago, Malty said:

Sorry, another thread from me after watching my first live game on a couple years….

One thing I noticed on Saturday was the level of time wasting that the Blackburn players did. Every time someone went down two physios (why two?) trotted onto the pitch. They treated the “injured” player for at least a minute, probably two or three and then trotted off whilst the other players hung around waiting. 

On one occasion, early in the second half, Sam Gallagher was down for probably three minutes apparently being treated. Meanwhile many of the Blackburn players were getting told by their manager what to do about Derby’s new formation. So much so that one guy (their left back) got waved over - clearly hadn’t realised the tactic - to get further instructions on what to do. For me as a fan it was infuriating that the referee did very little about it until very late on and I’m sure that the five minutes of extra time was not nearly enough against the level of time wasting.

I guess if it was Derby doing it then I’d turn a blind eye to it, but I really think that the football authorities need to look very hard at this gamesmanship and start handing  out bookings for obvious time wasting in future.

 

Just my view. Perhaps it’s just sour grapes?

Im not impressed  at how long its taking to kick off again  after a team has scored. Ok go celebrate and crawl back to the half way line in dribs and drabs . But it seems to take forever and getting longer , they even choreograph  some of the celebrations.  Soyr grapes on goals against   , yes most definitely !

[Mihangel]

9 hours ago, hintonsboots said:

Should have time off as in Rugby. The ref stops the watch as soon as a substitution is indicated. The player being substituted could then crawl off the pitch at 0.1 mph with no advantage being gained.

I don't disagree with the principle but you have to be careful what you wish for, it's not uncommon for Rugby Union games, that should be about 15 mins shorter than football to now comfortably exceed 2 Hours, teams use the breaks to 'take the sting out of the game' or have a breather....

[Wolfie]

2 hours ago, The Key Club King said:

I can see why grassroots football is struggling to recruit refs. Players feigning injury is almost impossible to prove with 100% certainty and clubs know this and instruct their players to go down to break the rythmn of the game when holding out for a win. Derby County do the same and we tolerate it when we are winning. This is not the referee's fault, it is the players who are cheating and given what happened to Christian Eriksson in the summer anybody feigning injury should be utterly ashamed of themselves. Boy who cried wolf and all that.

100% agree. I hate it when our players do it but there wouldn't have been a mention of it on here if that was us time wasting at 2-0 up.

The players are doing it, encouraged by the coaches and management.

Blaming the refs is the easy option.

[ilkleyram]

5 minutes ago, Wolfie said:

100% agree. I hate it when our players do it but there wouldn't have been a mention of it on here if that was us time wasting at 2-0 up.

The players are doing it, encouraged by the coaches and management.

Blaming the refs is the easy option.

No, blaming the refs is the correct option for two reasons. Firstly because they are the solution and secondly because they are allowing the teams, including us though we’re not as bad as others, to get away with it. 

If we wanted all the gamesmanship that is time wasting stopped then the refs have to clamp down on it. I doubt they see it as a problem. 

[Stive Pesley]

Blackburn were obviously well-schooled in the art of poor gamesmanship. They also had their 3 subs stood literally on the touchline (with them deliberately wandering into the field of play at times) - a psychological ploy to flood peripheral vision of the attacking team with extra defenders to affect split-second decision making and preventing them from attacking the flank.

no need for it - and the ref/linesman did nothing. 

[Ram-Alf]

For those who can remember, Derby Vs Burnley, Eddie Howe was the manager, This is probly the 1st time I really noticed timewasting gamesmanship as a tactic to slow the game down, I think we lost 0-1, The tactic was to break play up, For us to lose control of the game and to see the players lose a little heart.

It's another tactic that has infiltrated physical sports, Predominantly in football, Player loses the ball, Ball moves forward, He goes down holding his head, A couple of passes later the opposition kick the ball out of play, 2 Physios come on one holding the players head the other giving instructions on how to combat the opposition.

It's a no win situation, The Ref is stuck between a rock and a hard place, There's so much within the game with dare I say "compensation culture" that just in case this is a genuine case the game has to stop, Eriksen of Denmark being a genuine case.

Rugby Union and Rugby league the Ref will signal "stop the clock" for an injured player, While their treatment continues, We have all the techknowledgy in todays world to do as other sports do...it's time we did it.

PS

Anyone watch the England Vs New Zealand Womens Rugby Union game at the weekend, Blood and snot all over the place, Even going face to face as no backing down...these Women put the mens football game to shame, And if Hannah Botterman told me Saturday was Tuesday...I'd agree with her

[Ravabeerbelly]

I’m a firm believer that the players get paid what they deserve. The reason being is that they are in the entertainment business and as such pay should have parity with other people in the same business when that level of money is generated by sales / tv such as film stars and rock stars.

However, if that’s the case then they have a duty to offer as much entertainment as possible. Feigning injury, wasting time, taking the ball to the corner to see out time etc etc all needs to be stopped.

I’m not sure how we do this but here are some ideas :-

Use the Futsal idea that you only have 4 secs to restart games from corners / throw ons / goal kicks / free kicks etc. Once the ball is in hands (throwin) or placed for the re start the clock starts. Failure to restart on time possession is surrendered.

Free kicks shouldn’t need to have a stationary ball. So long as the ball is within the playing distance of the offence a rolling ball should make no difference…it was rolling when the offence took place so rolling to restart shouldn’t matter.

Players should be able to take the free kick to themselves. It happens in hockey. It would put an end immediately to players clamouring around the ref protesting or rolling around on the floor feigning injury. Place the ball and continue dribbling!!!

Restarts after goals can start the minute the referee blows the whistle and once he’s allowed ‘reasonable’ time to celebrate if the ball is ready and players are ‘waking back’ then blow the whistle you’ll soon see a few make more effort to get back!! 
 
Stop the clock for all stoppages like in basketball. Have the refs watch linked to the stadium clock so everyone can see when it’s stopped and how long left!!

[kevinhectoring]

11 hours ago, Ellafella said:

our players need a break. Time for more rotation and rest especially of Jozwiak, Sibley, Lawrence. The impact of having a restricted squad size is starting to show. 

We’ll certainly see the impact of squad size if we get injuries. That’s the main danger. I don’t think Joz or Sibley have played enough minutes to suffer burn out by November. As as for our ineptly selected captain, well if he showed the application of a Shinnie or a Knight every game, he might claim to need a rest. But he doesn’t