Carl Sagan Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 10 hours ago, Chris_D said: when did the EFL say this about the sufficient guarantees? be interested how that was phrased / when they said it. My recollection is that the EFL had been satisfied, but right now I can't find it. If I do I'll post that. All I can find at the moment is the administrators in late September (eg here https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/Derby-administrators-takeover-debt-rooney-5958458) saying they're confident we'll fulfil our fixtures. Presumably they are in a legal position where if that weren't the case they wouldn't be allowed to say it. There is nothing in the official terse EFL statements. Either I made it up or I read it in one of the journo's pieces discussing administration and what happens next for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 15/10/2021 at 09:25, jono said: I think it is something that affects all governments over time, which is why we have elections. To remind them who is really in charge. if only.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Carl Sagan said: My recollection is that the EFL had been satisfied, but right now I can't find it. If I do I'll post that. All I can find at the moment is the administrators in late September (eg here https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/Derby-administrators-takeover-debt-rooney-5958458) saying they're confident we'll fulfil our fixtures. Presumably they are in a legal position where if that weren't the case they wouldn't be allowed to say it. There is nothing in the official terse EFL statements. Either I made it up or I read it in one of the journo's pieces discussing administration and what happens next for the club. I wonder if the guaranteed funding point was raised by EFL in discussions about coming out of embargo. Can’t see that it’s immediately relevant. Surely if we’re out of admin and new owners are in place early Jan, there’ll be a business plan in place and proof of funding and we’ll be good to go in the Jan window Carl Sagan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said: I wonder if the guaranteed funding point was raised by EFL in discussions about coming out of embargo. Can’t see that it’s immediately relevant. Surely if we’re out of admin and new owners are in place early Jan, there’ll be a business plan in place and proof of funding and we’ll be good to go in the Jan window For me we need to take on efl it is funny that a member was not there against prestion because they knew what Derby fans can do. kevinhectoring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 7 hours ago, europia said: if only.... Have you been disenfranchised ? or is it that not enough people agree with you ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 10 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: My recollection is that the EFL had been satisfied, but right now I can't find it. If I do I'll post that. All I can find at the moment is the administrators in late September (eg here https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/Derby-administrators-takeover-debt-rooney-5958458) saying they're confident we'll fulfil our fixtures. Presumably they are in a legal position where if that weren't the case they wouldn't be allowed to say it. There is nothing in the official terse EFL statements. Either I made it up or I read it in one of the journo's pieces discussing administration and what happens next for the club. Saying you’re “confident” isn’t a promise, commitment or guarantee and isn’t exactly legally binding. So I don’t see any legal risk to the administrator if things deteriorated and we weren’t able to fulfil our fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basilrobbie Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 The more we hear from this administrator, the more I worry. Can they not just get on and do their job discreetly? The people who did the job at Wigan were exactly the same. I hope for your sake as fans that the points situation gets sorted quickly. These interminable delays and appeals and counter-appeals do the club no favours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, basilrobbie said: The more we hear from this administrator, the more I worry. Can they not just get on and do their job discreetly? The people who did the job at Wigan were exactly the same. I hope for your sake as fans that the points situation gets sorted quickly. These interminable delays and appeals and counter-appeals do the club no favours. I'm pretty sure that the EFL are happy to drag the torture out. Death by 1000 cuts*. *Sorry, the letter to the right of 'b' is bust. Gritstone Tup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Eddie said: I'm pretty sure that the EFL are happy to drag the torture out. Death by 1000 cuts*. *Sorry, the letter to the right of 'b' is bust. We’re in a ridiculous position. The better we do on the pitch the more difficult it is to agree a sensible sanction with EFL. (Because some clubs so want to see us relegated.) I’m looking forward to seeing what the admins report says about their dealings with EFl Edited October 19, 2021 by kevinhectoring Eddie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, basilrobbie said: The more we hear from this administrator, the more I worry. Can they not just get on and do their job discreetly? The people who did the job at Wigan were exactly the same. I hope for your sake as fans that the points situation gets sorted quickly. These interminable delays and appeals and counter-appeals do the club no favours. They haven't actually made any statements since about this time last week. The fans demand to be kept informed. As long as they're doing that at reasonable intervals, and being honest and not making grandiose promises (which I don't think they have), I'm satisfied they're getting on with the job. The points situation divides opinion. Personally, I'm happy for it to drag on a bit longer until we've reached the point where any further deduction won't take us into -ve points, which I think would be disastrous for team morale. I suspect that what will happen after the appeal against the -12 points is heard and before any final sale transaction is concluded. RoyMac5, Tamworthram, ariotofmyown and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, basilrobbie said: The more we hear from this administrator, the more I worry. Can they not just get on and do their job discreetly? The people who did the job at Wigan were exactly the same. I hope for your sake as fans that the points situation gets sorted quickly. These interminable delays and appeals and counter-appeals do the club no favours. What exactly have we heard in the last couple of weeks that causing you to worry? Personally I think they are generally just cracking on. LazloW, Derby4Me, Reggie Greenwood and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 On 18/10/2021 at 11:25, PistoldPete said: Exactly . If I was a judge and Efl tried to claim COVID wasn’t a force majeure I would dismiss the point in two minutes flat and award all costs to Derby. Can I just suggest a name change if you decide on a legal career ? . Pistol Pete might not be the most appropriate moniker for a High Court Judge ? I wanted to be a Goalie but I found that being called Butterfingers Bill restricted my opportunities just a little PistoldPete, kevinhectoring, RadioactiveWaste and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, jono said: Can I just suggest a name change if you decide on a legal career ? . Pistol Pete might not be the most appropriate moniker for a High Court Judge ? I wanted to be a Goalie but I found that being called Butterfingers Bill restricted my opportunities just a little Yup, I think Probation Pete would be a much better name to be in front of m'learned friends. jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Do we know when the appeal is being heard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 hours ago, basilrobbie said: The more we hear from this administrator, the more I worry. Can they not just get on and do their job discreetly? The people who did the job at Wigan were exactly the same. I hope for your sake as fans that the points situation gets sorted quickly. These interminable delays and appeals and counter-appeals do the club no favours. Mel Morris did his job discreetly! we are only appealing the administration points deduction which should be done soon enough meanwhile we haven’t actually been charged with anything else so we can’t have a hearing and we can’t have an appeal - I accept that the EFL don’t fancy doing the legal arguments over amortisation in a court and want a out of tribunal settlement but there seems to be a clear disagreement over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 hours ago, basilrobbie said: The more we hear from this administrator, the more I worry. Can they not just get on and do their job discreetly? The people who did the job at Wigan were exactly the same. I hope for your sake as fans that the points situation gets sorted quickly. These interminable delays and appeals and counter-appeals do the club no favours. Not appealing is worse than appealing with a chance of having the points deduction reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk Thrust Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, jono said: Can I just suggest a name change if you decide on a legal career ? . Pistol Pete might not be the most appropriate moniker for a High Court Judge ? Same for me with my surname - Crooks jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, jono said: Can I just suggest a name change if you decide on a legal career ? . Pistol Pete might not be the most appropriate moniker for a High Court Judge ? I wanted to be a Goalie but I found that being called Butterfingers Bill restricted my opportunities just a little As it happens my mate was sent down 2 years ago for cattle rustling, I asked him who the judge was...yes you've guessed it, Pistoldpete, This judge needs putting out to grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, Turk Thrust said: Same for me with my surname - Crooks Garf? jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagga Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, alexxxxx said: Do we know when the appeal is being heard? Think it’s happened or will happen very soon we appealed on 22nd Sep, and iirc it has to be heard in 21 days or so if you look at Wigan, it was all done, dusted and written up in a month. no idea when the result comes out though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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