richinspain Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, SamUltraRam said: Regarding Mel Morris, I wonder if he does have health problems whether he'd be prepared to still fund the club but take a step back and appoint a person/team to manage the off field business side ? In the meantime, they could still search for a legitimate new owner I'm clutching at straws but i'm desperate for some kind of resolution here So, either Sam "I always get my man" Rush (yes, he won his unfair dismissal case, but still left the club in what was to become it's current state) or someone who quite feasibly could leave us in an even worse state. There are no guarantees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 I was rather hoping this would be the busiest thread today but it seems like an American owner is about as elusive as a German CB! Boycie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) There is an article that quotes a Sun article by Alan Nixon today, which infers that the EFL will be kinder to us if Mel can sell quickly, and that talks are underway again. Shouldn't think it's any more or less reliable than the Daily Mail stuff. I Don't think it's been posted on here, but there are so many different threads springing up it's hard to tell! Edited May 16, 2021 by angieram rynny, RadioactiveWaste and RandomAccessMemory 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 How can Nixon know anything about potential points deduction, before the original panel have reconvened and discussed the facts ? Two buyers in talks ? Jimbo Ram and r_wilcockson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 minute ago, angieram said: There is an article that quotes a Sun article by Alan Nixon today, which infers that the EFL will be kinder to us if Mel can sell quickly, and that talks are underway again. Shouldn't think it's any more or less reliable than the Daily Mail stuff. I Don't think it's been posted on here, but there are so many different threads springing up it's hard to tell! EFL source tacitly admits "get Mel" was a part of it......the only legitimate line is either"no comment, it's ongoing" or "that is a separate issue, the DC must judge the case in front of them" RandomAccessMemory, LeedsCityRam, MrPlinkett and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, angieram said: There is an article that quotes a Sun article by Alan Nixon today, which infers that the EFL will be kinder to us if Mel can sell quickly, and that talks are underway again. Shouldn't think it's any more or less reliable than the Daily Mail stuff. I Don't think it's been posted on here, but there are so many different threads springing up it's hard to tell! We might not get a points deduction, think he makes things up as he goes along. More interested in what Percy has to say.... jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 I can't see any realistic way how that could possibly be true. If the multiple bidders part is true, then that's good news, I just hope Mel is able to get a credible buyer this time. However I really cannot see the EFL even being able to hint at reducing whatever punishment we receive if Mel sells up quickly. Firstly, there is no indication that we would definitely get a points deduction, it's just one of numerous possibilities. Secondly, the points deduction is not something that can, or should, be made up on the spot. As much as they may like to, the EFL Gods cannot sit in their Ivory tower and think "hmm, Mel Morris? We'll hit him with the maximum penalty!" purely because he's caused a stir in the past and there's ill feeling. Penalties are based on facts. It can't be impacted by having a favourable, or unfavourable owner. The Club should be sold for the good of the Club. I really hope being stung twice publicly will encourage Mel to really want to choose the best person for our future, however the indication that he could almost be blackmailed into rushing a sale through so we only get deducted 3 points rather than 9 for example, is absolutely farcical and sounds like it should be illegal. May Contain Nuts, LeedsCityRam, SouthernRam and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, angieram said: There is an article that quotes a Sun article by Alan Nixon today, which infers that the EFL will be kinder to us if Mel can sell quickly, and that talks are underway again. Shouldn't think it's any more or less reliable than the Daily Mail stuff. I Don't think it's been posted on here, but there are so many different threads springing up it's hard to tell! If there's any truth in those rumours then the EFL are publicly showing that there is a vendetta against Mel - what a steaming pile of horse droppings that organisation is..... Deej, r_wilcockson, Steve How Hard? and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, angieram said: There is an article that quotes a Sun article by Alan Nixon today, which infers that the EFL will be kinder to us if Mel can sell quickly, and that talks are underway again. Shouldn't think it's any more or less reliable than the Daily Mail stuff. I Don't think it's been posted on here, but there are so many different threads springing up it's hard to tell! Who would Nixon find to talk to at the EFL, the cleaner? The bit about MSD seems confused as the stadium isn't owned by the Club. Utter clickbait of the worst kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAccessMemory Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, hintonsboots said: How can Nixon know anything about potential points deduction, before the original panel have reconvened and discussed the facts ? Two buyers in talks ? I wonder if he knows what the EFL are asking for as a punishment? By that I mean, I think both sides have their say and the EFL put forward what punishment they want us to have (but the final decision on what punishment is handed down is with the DC) maybe he means they will ask for a lesser punishment if Mel no longer owns us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Just now, RandomAccessMemory said: I wonder if he knows what the EFL are asking for as a punishment? By that I mean, I think both sides have their say and the EFL put forward what punishment they want us to have (but the final decision on what punishment is handed down is with the DC) maybe he means they will ask for a lesser punishment if Mel no longer owns us? They still have to base it on whether we're guilty and what of if so. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAccessMemory Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Just now, RoyMac5 said: They still have to base it on whether we're guilty and what of if so. Yes, they do, but the EFL might ask for maximum punishment as there is no precedent. It doesn’t necessarily mean the DC will think they are right to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, RandomAccessMemory said: I wonder if he knows what the EFL are asking for as a punishment? By that I mean, I think both sides have their say and the EFL put forward what punishment they want us to have (but the final decision on what punishment is handed down is with the DC) maybe he means they will ask for a lesser punishment if Mel no longer owns us? That's still not an appropriate stance for a regulator to have, and effectively that's what the EFL are in terms of the football league. It implies that the relationship between the club and the EFL will change how the rules apply to you. RandomAccessMemory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAccessMemory Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Just now, RadioactiveWaste said: That's still not an appropriate stance for a regulator to have, and effectively that's what the EFL are in terms of the football league. It implies that the relationship between the club and the EFL will change how the rules apply to you. I completely agree with you. Deej and RadioactiveWaste 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: They still have to base it on whether we're guilty and what of if so. Well, the appeal has just found us guilty, so yes we are. We know what of. RandomAccessMemory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeedsRam1999 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Not sure I believe the part about Mel selling up quick means a smaller deduction. That would prove that the EFL have been vindictive in their pursuit of us and surely would spell the end of a lot of people in a lot of jobs. And we would be able to sue them? Correct me if I’m wrong? Grimbeard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, RandomAccessMemory said: Yes, they do, but the EFL might ask for maximum punishment as there is no precedent. It doesn’t necessarily mean the DC will think they are right to do so. The maximum punishment is still based on what was wrong - which from the appeal report suggests its accounting. Only if we resubmit and go over P&S can we be looking at points deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, angieram said: Well, the appeal has just found us guilty, so yes we are. We know what of. Yes, but there might still be more 'guilt', if we have to resubmit accounts was the only way I could see a points deduction. Edited May 16, 2021 by RoyMac5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 My understanding was that the EFL don't decide the punishment anyway do they? The disciplinary commission decides and they were mostly on our side in the initial hearing, so I can't see why Mel Morris being here or not will have any impact on the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 I think maybe people are taking what Nixon is saying a bit too literally. I personally think that he is implying that the EFL will be more favourably disposed towards us generally once Mel is gone. This might mean pressing less about the punishment, which could in turn influence the DC's decision; or just agreeing to the DC setting the punishment rather than the LAP (which I am not sure if they have done as yet?) I don't think it's right that there is this issue between the EFL and Mel, but people would be naive to think that it is not there, or that it hasn't influenced the EFL's recent behaviour. RandomAccessMemory, LeedsCityRam and Steve How Hard? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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