Get him gone.

[strawhillram]

Derbynil dressing room just before a must try harder match v Brum

Los of Giggling and joking around, and the players sit around with heads in hands.

WR: “ as we are playing world beaters today. I think erm, I’ll change the team and the erm tictacs. Any questions?”

mac raises his hand

 WR: “ shut your face mac. I am a world class international and have scored more  goals than any of you lot“. Over to you Leroy”

WR heads off to check his latest bank balance.

LR: “ As the gaffer says , I’m a  championship  specialist, don’t you know”

With the team talk over,  the players head out on to the pitch.

[TheresOnlyWanChope]

42 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Surely it's Rooney's job to get the players motivated to give 100%, who else is responsible for this???

It is in a way but why should a player never give 100 per cent? Do we want players like that? It’s basics. 

[Jimbo Ram]

13 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

They are mostly so fragile. Last match only really Clarke kept going and looked committed, Edmundson looked like he meant business when he came on too, but the rest of them collapsed. 

 

Enough said.

Who is responsible for motivating the players?

[Jimbo Ram]

Just now, TheresOnlyWanChope said:

It is in a way but why should a player never give 100 per cent? Do we want players like that? It’s basics. 

Do we want a rookie, novice Manager who is obviously not up to a job of this size at this difficult time? If it’s not the Manager’s job to get the players motivated, clear on their roles and performing well on the pitch, what is the role of a football manager? What do you judge a Manager on?

[Jourdan]

9 hours ago, S8TY said:

If we manage to stay up I hope Rooney doesn't think he's done enough to keep the job ...we need a clear out and a new man to take us forward

[mwram1973]

3 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Who is responsible for motivating the players?

They should be motivating themselves, a manager can only do so much. Rooney isn't without blame for this but to say it's all his fault is naive imo. For me I blame Cocu for trying to play in a way that didn't suit this league and the players ( bar a couple ) just giving up. We have 9 players out of this squad leaving in the summer, they are just not bothered but Rooney cannot replace them because we have no one.

[Anag Ram]

13 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Who is responsible for motivating the players?

Wayne! 

[mwram1973]

8 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

Wayne! 

And Liam 

 

[Jimbo Ram]

5 minutes ago, mwram1973 said:

They should be motivating themselves, a manager can only do so much. Rooney isn't without blame for this but to say it's all his fault is naive imo. For me I blame Cocu for trying to play in a way that didn't suit this league and the players ( bar a couple ) just giving up. We have 9 players out of this squad leaving in the summer, they are just not bothered but Rooney cannot replace them because we have no one.

Who does the buck stop with then? When a team has won 1 game in 12, performances are dire culminating in arguably our worst performance in many years at Preston, a team that can’t seem to compete, a team devoid of confidence and motivation....if the manager doesn’t take responsibility for these elements who does? What is a football manager responsible for?

[mwram1973]

Just now, Jimbo Ram said:

Who does the buck stop with then? When a team has won 1 game in 12, performances are dire culminating in arguably our worst performance in many years at Preston, a team that can’t seem to compete, a team devoid of confidence and motivation....if the manager doesn’t take responsibility for these elements who does? What is a football manager responsible for?

The buck stops with all of them. We all know what a managers job entails and motivation is one of them. When he first came in, we got ourselves out of trouble with the training and tactics he installed. This hasn't changed, so for me it's the players lack of motivation, commitment that is largely to do with our downfall. Like I said 9 players, at least will go end of season.

[Mostyn6]

1 hour ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Surely it's Rooney's job to get the players motivated to give 100%, who else is responsible for this???

Id normally agree with you, but how many of the team think their time at Derby is up next month? Many have their next move lined up. Hard to motivate people who have switched off.  

[Jimbo Ram]

4 minutes ago, mwram1973 said:

The buck stops with all of them. We all know what a managers job entails and motivation is one of them. When he first came in, we got ourselves out of trouble with the training and tactics he installed. This hasn't changed, so for me it's the players lack of motivation, commitment that is largely to do with our downfall. Like I said 9 players, at least will go end of season.

No, rightly or wrongly a football manager is judged on performances and results and takes responsibility for this. 

[Tyler Durden]

18 minutes ago, mwram1973 said:

They should be motivating themselves, a manager can only do so much. Rooney isn't without blame for this but to say it's all his fault is naive imo. For me I blame Cocu for trying to play in a way that didn't suit this league and the players ( bar a couple ) just giving up. We have 9 players out of this squad leaving in the summer, they are just not bothered but Rooney cannot replace them because we have no one.

I fundamentally disagree with all of this, I've read about the concept of self managed teams before but never actually had the luxury to work in a business that contains one. 

You're advocating eliminating all forms of management in any organisation business sport or otherwise. People are given targets so the group effort is concentrated in the key business areas predominantly but also as a metric to assess whether a member of staff is performing to an acceptable level and action accordingly.

You can't just have a group of staff and say go on lads just do what you need to do without any direction, leadership, MOTIVATION and so on. It's ridiculous to even suggest that.

The key point here is why are the players not responding to Rooney's alleged direction if indeed he is giving them any. 

[Jimbo Ram]

3 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said:

Id normally agree with you, but how many of the team think their time at Derby is up next month? Many have their next move lined up. Hard to motivate people who have switched off.  

Still his job to get the best out of them, a lot of teams will be in a similar position.

[Jimbo Ram]

Just now, Tyler Durden said:

I fundamentally disagree with all of this, I've read about the concept of self managed teams before but never actually had the luxury to work in a business that contains one. 

You're advocating eliminating all forms of management in any organisation business sport or otherwise. People are given targets so the group effort is concentrated in the key business areas predominantly but also as a metric to assess whether a member of staff is performing to an acceptable level and action accordingly.

You can't just have a group of staff and say go on lads just do what you need to do without any direction, leadership, MOTIVATION and so on. It's ridiculous to even suggest that.

The key point here is why are the players not responding to Rooney's alleged direction if indeed he is giving them any. 

Exactly ? If this is the case why not dispense with the Manager position altogether, seems he is not responsible for anything ?

[mwram1973]

4 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

I fundamentally disagree with all of this, I've read about the concept of self managed teams before but never actually had the luxury to work in a business that contains one. 

You're advocating eliminating all forms of management in any organisation business sport or otherwise. People are given targets so the group effort is concentrated in the key business areas predominantly but also as a metric to assess whether a member of staff is performing to an acceptable level and action accordingly.

You can't just have a group of staff and say go on lads just do what you need to do without any direction, leadership, MOTIVATION and so on. It's ridiculous to even suggest that.

The key point here is why are the players not responding to Rooney's alleged direction if indeed he is giving them any. 

The key point here is why did they do it when he first came in but seem to be unable to do it now. Like I said before, Rooney is not without blame but you can't motivate someone who doesn't want to know.

[BondJovi]

1 hour ago, TheresOnlyWanChope said:

100 per cent. Rooney can’t legislate for players treading on balls, jogging half heartedly to stop opposition, failing to stop crosses, missing chances, not marking etc etc. I’m sure these things are not promoted in training. Crosses coming in and out defence standing still? Surely this isn’t a tactic. But whatever is going on I don’t see how his position is tenable now, either the players aren’t playing for him not listening to him or he is ineffectual. I don’t know. I wish we could replace half the team first but we can’t. The players have failed this season, lack of desire, lack of doing the basics right, the odd match we have looked ok (like Blackburn- a lot more movement in attacking areas and off the ball) but it’s so inconsistent. Don’t think some of players are bothered enough to give 100 per cent. Giving 90 per cent each match isn’t good enough, many are out of contract anyway. Watched teams like Leicester and Chelsea recently, even Norwich, they lose the ball, they swarm and get it back. They run and close down and give options straight away. We never do these things. I know the quality isn’t the same but the players should still want to fight.

Rooney has been working in some form with these players since November 19. None of this should have caught him out. He cannot expect to  command the fight from the players when he himself didn't do it as a player/captain/coach. He did what they are doing now. You reap what you sow.

[Tyler Durden]

11 minutes ago, mwram1973 said:

The key point here is why did they do it when he first came in but seem to be unable to do it now. Like I said before, Rooney is not without blame but you can't motivate someone who doesn't want to know.

But you can though that's the point there are a variety of management techniques to motivate staff. 

Have you considered that the players are demotivated as they simply can't buy into what Rooney is trying to get them to do or they now have zero confidence that he actually knows what he's doing?

[Ghost of Clough]

8 minutes ago, mwram1973 said:

The buck stops with all of them. We all know what a managers job entails and motivation is one of them. When he first came in, we got ourselves out of trouble with the training and tactics he installed. This hasn't changed, so for me it's the players lack of motivation, commitment that is largely to do with our downfall. Like I said 9 players, at least will go end of season.

The introduction of Bielik to the team increased the confidence of the rest of the team. We all saw that confidence drop the instant Bielik was injured.

[Jimbo Ram]

9 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

The introduction of Bielik to the team increased the confidence of the rest of the team. We all saw that confidence drop the instant Bielik was injured.

Perhaps put Bielik in as temporary manager ?