Spanish Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: But you can though that's the point there are a variety of management techniques to motivate staff. Have you considered that the players are demotivated as they simply can't buy into what Rooney is trying to get them to do or they now have zero confidence that he actually knows what he's doing? or they don't believe they are good enough to survive Tyler Durden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Jimbo Ram said: Do we want a rookie, novice Manager who is obviously not up to a job of this size at this difficult time? If it’s not the Manager’s job to get the players motivated, clear on their roles and performing well on the pitch, what is the role of a football manager? What do you judge a Manager on? No we don’t but players can’t get a free pass. Many have failed under two managers now. Not good enough not committed enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Spanish said: or they don't believe they are good enough to survive Absolutely. But again that's from the manager to instil that confidence in them. Chris_Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeS Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 So here we go again....into another match which we all fear will result in another defeat and take us another step closer to the drop. The response from the club? Zilch. No action, no reaction. Heads in the sand...with the tide coming in! kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong, Hector was the best and Derby4Me 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, TheresOnlyWanChope said: No we don’t but players can’t get a free pass. Many have failed under two managers now. Not good enough not committed enough. What do you think a football Manager is judged on? What ultimately decides if he/she stays in their job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said: What do you think a football Manager is judged on? What ultimately decides if he/she stays in their job? Results and performances. What sort of question is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Just now, TheresOnlyWanChope said: Results and performances. What sort of question is that? Well, ask some on here who don’t seem to think that is the case regarding Rooney.....read some of the comments. It’s not his responsibility.... Ramarena 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 21 minutes ago, TheresOnlyWanChope said: No we don’t but players can’t get a free pass. Many have failed under two managers now. Not good enough not committed enough. I don't think anyone comes out with any plaudits this season. But to have a weak and ineffectual manager in charge of a group of players who need direction and leadership is just compounding the issue and ultimately always there will only be one head which will roll in this scenario. Ramarena and Hector was the best 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Absolutely. But again that's from the manager to instil that confidence in them. do you think there would be any manager who could have motivated the 11 point squad? If they have truly given up it will be a huge motivational challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Spanish said: do you think there would be any manager who could have motivated the 11 point squad? If they have truly given up it will be a huge motivational challenge. To turn your question round I know 2 managers who couldn't which I am able to answer. Chris_Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Just now, Jimbo Ram said: Well, ask some on here who don’t seem to think that is the case regarding Rooney.....read some of the comments. It’s not his responsibility.... For me it’s a shared responsibility. I can’t believe he hasn’t gone, must be to do with contract finances, takeover, sponsorship etc, BUT several players have FAILED under two regimes and it isn’t all on Rooney either. These players need to go, and hopefully they will this summer. Not committed enough not enough quality and Rooney and Cocu have seen this. Put another manager there and same will happen until we have different players on the pitch. The quality isn’t there. Rooney cannot take all the blame when players aren’t making runs etc not marking, does anything think this is coached ???? Of course we need to change it, why hasn’t the manager gone ???? The results are dreadful. Let’s get new management and new players. Everything needs to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: I don't think anyone comes out with any plaudits this season. But to have a weak and ineffectual manager in charge of a group of players who need direction and leadership is just compounding the issue and ultimately always there will only be one head which will roll in this scenario. I agree but the quality isn’t there either. Couple of years ago we had Tomori Mount Carson Keogh Wilson. We have had terrible injury luck but the players aren’t good enough and need to go ASAP as well as management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 minute ago, TheresOnlyWanChope said: For me it’s a shared responsibility. I can’t believe he hasn’t gone, must be to do with contract finances, takeover, sponsorship etc, BUT several players have FAILED under two regimes and it isn’t all on Rooney either. These players need to go, and hopefully they will this summer. Not committed enough not enough quality and Rooney and Cocu have seen this. Put another manager there and same will happen until we have different players on the pitch. The quality isn’t there. Rooney cannot take all the blame when players aren’t making runs etc not marking, does anything think this is coached ???? Of course we need to change it, why hasn’t the manager gone ???? The results are dreadful. Let’s get new management and new players. Everything needs to change. We can only really judge what Wazza has got out of the players but agree, it is a mediocre squad and there needs to be a complete overhaul of ownership, management team and players in the summer... TheresOnlyWanChope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Present idea for Mel: https://www.amazon.co.uk/ADH-Brands-Stainless-Potatoes-Vegetable/dp/B08WLYWLXJ/ref=sr_1_8?crid=3R6VX8F5AKOUJ&dchild=1&keywords=potato+masher&qid=1619172285&sprefix=potato+%2Caps%2C-1&sr=8-8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, MikeS said: So here we go again....into another match which we all fear will result in another defeat and take us another step closer to the drop. The response from the club? Zilch. No action, no reaction. Heads in the sand...with the tide coming in! Whether we think he's the man to take us forward or not, I'm sure his remit would have been to keep us in the championship. At this moment in time he is on course to do that (?? league position, ignoring games in hand). Those who have to make the decisions are as worried as we are (or more so, it's THEIR money), but he's (currently) meeting his remit. I doubt very much that they've buried their heads in their hands. They've decided not to sack him, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, richinspain said: Whether we think he's the man to take us forward or not, I'm sure his remit would have been to keep us in the championship. At this moment in time he is on course to do that (?? league position, ignoring games in hand). Those who have to make the decisions are as worried as we are (or more so, it's THEIR money), but he's (currently) meeting his remit. I doubt very much that they've buried their heads in their hands. They've decided not to sack him, yet. One win in 12 doesn't mean he's hitting his remit. If the team had missed the last 12 matches completely we would be not much worse off. He may as well not be there. Edited April 23, 2021 by kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 38 minutes ago, TheresOnlyWanChope said: No we don’t but players can’t get a free pass. Many have failed under two managers now. Not good enough not committed enough. it's the managers responsibility to get it out of the players. Many of them have shown previously that they can hack it at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: No wins and 12 doesn't mean he's hitting his remit. If the team had missed the last 12 matches completely we would be no worse off. He may as well not be there. 1 win in 12, come on, don’t exaggerate ? IslandExile and GenBr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Jimbo Ram said: 1 win in 12, come on, don’t exaggerate ? Yeah,sorry about that,it's just been so long since we did win, getting it mixed up with 2007. Jimbo Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Jimbo Ram said: Still his job to get the best out of them, a lot of teams will be in a similar position. I’m not saying its not. In fact, i try to be consistent with how I judge managers. I just feel that there wont be many teams with as many players thinking they have no future at the club. The ones on loan or out of contract amount for a high number, then the rest might think they’re gonna be replaced when the takeover is done. Whilst other clubs might have similar, I’d bet those at the top end, have lots of players tied to longer term deals. Spanish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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