ThePrisoner Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 41 minutes ago, cannable said: The podcast is it’s own separate entity to the post-match reaction Ah didn’t know it was a different thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB SPORTS Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 5 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Agreed. Personally, think he should have given Ramage a chance to explain his comments first rather than going to social media. However, his response was dignified and he certainly has no blame in the situation. Ramage and RD had ample opportunity from Saturday night to Sunday lunch to attempt to put this right and didn't. I knew Saturday 10pm what Ramage had said. Think he/they had plenty of time until Max reacted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nishfan Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 This is such a serious matter that it’s right & proper for the BBC to have a thorough investigation. It was good to hear some reference to it at the start of last night’s sport scene. Radio Derby is A, if not The, flagship local radio station of the beeb’s & has won national Sony awards & now the local station & the BBC reputation is tarnished with racism, (let’s be clear - it was racist). They need to learn lessons & I suspect some management will be under scrutiny for how programmes are ‘quality assured’ (can’t think of a better term) rather than just the bloke who was on air with CR at the time juggling numerous tasks. I’m for one hoping some good can come out of this in terms of making people question their unconscious bias which many good posts have mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Yes... Yes... enough of all that. What I'd like to know is whether Norman got home safe, after using Derby Radio Cars, or whatever cab firm he called? Also, I can't help wondering if our new friend Norman has "Notifications" clicked on for responses to his thread, and doesn't know how to turn them off! I think you lot should all apologise to him, and invite him back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRBee Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, philmycocu said: Erm, not Chris Coles I agree but the point is why are you stating " think it's quite sad that a single paragraph by Max Lowe has seemingly trashed a young sports journalists career" ? That's not putting the blame on Ramage, rather it is diverting it to Max Lowe. 2 hours ago, philmycocu said: 2 hours ago, philmycocu said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 32 minutes ago, DRBee said: I agree but the point is why are you stating " think it's quite sad that a single paragraph by Max Lowe has seemingly trashed a young sports journalists career" ? That's not putting the blame on Ramage, rather it is diverting it to Max Lowe. Yeah, didn't mean to, reading it again Lowe said "broadcaster", wonder if he meant Coles or the BBC actually? Would still be harsh on the boy if he was kicked out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbles Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Ed Dawes and Chris Coles would be a great partnership, Ed will be a lot better with Chris rather than Craig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Squid said: Ed Dawes and Chris Coles would be a great partnership, Ed will be a lot better with Chris rather than Craig. I don't actually mind Ed, unless he was with Ramage. Whenever Steele's been on with him, the 'bantz' is toned right down, and negativity is at a minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 6 hours ago, angieram said: It's half term. Sally Pepper has kids. Sally Pepper and Ed Dawes are a couple. Both are currently off-air. Might they have gone on holiday? Regardless of that possibility I think that Ed and Chris shouldn't be on air anyway while the investigation runs its course - it's usual practice. Anyone who heard Chris trying to calm Ramage down earlier that evening when he was ranting about Max Bird (totally without cause, in my opinion) will hopefully know how difficult that task is live on air and take that into account in the investigation. I think he's a promising journalist and I also think Ed Dawes is a better journalist when he isn't having to contend with Ramage live on air. I think you've hit the nail on the head here. Ramage's RD career has been built upon questionable negativity and hyperbole masquerading as passion, which causes problems in that he often has to go to new levels of hyperbole to stay relevant and seemingly passionate to his listenership. This was always going to lead to either a mistake, or an insight into his beliefs/attitude slipping out due to him getting close to the edge with the hyperbole......I can't say which it is as I don't know him. The same is true of his "rivalry" with Dawes which I understand could be very terse (I don't listen to RD with way it is) and again given the state of that relationship\banter a mistake was always liable from either Ramage or Dawes. I do feel sorry for Coles as it's quite possible that he could be caught up as the innocent party in this having not listened to what Ramage said properly (he could have been looking at notes or his next question for example) and then posting it whilst being under the cosh of a deadline which brings added pressure, it could have been easy to miss! The only worry I would have for Coles is that if he was involved in that re-edit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danelaw Rams Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Let's go straight to Pride park...where I believe there has been a last minute penalty!...But to WHOM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I have my reservations with how RD reports on games but that is an irrelevance to this. This issue has almost nothing to do with Chris Coles and even less to do with Ed Dawes who wasn't even there. And I am not a fan of Dawes' commentary at all. But this is nothing to do with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, Tombo said: I have my reservations with how RD reports on games but that is an irrelevance to this. This issue has almost nothing to do with Chris Coles and even less to do with Ed Dawes who wasn't even there. And I am not a fan of Dawes' commentary at all. But this is nothing to do with him. As I've said previously, we don't know how things work at RD - but almost certainly, one of Dawes or Coles is responsible for the output on match days. In this case, whoever should have picked up on the remark missed it at the time it was originally broadcast and then compounded the issue by uploading the recording without initially removing the offensive part. That has damaged the BBC's reputation and I'd be very surprised if someone doesn't pay the price alongside Ramage - it's called accountability and in the current climate, whether the penalty for the offence is fair or not doesn't tend to matter...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, Tombo said: I have my reservations with how RD reports on games but that is an irrelevance to this. This issue has almost nothing to do with Chris Coles and even less to do with Ed Dawes who wasn't even there. And I am not a fan of Dawes' commentary at all. But this is nothing to do with him. exactly, I don't think he is any good at all as a commentator (better than I would be I am sure) but to group him in with Ramage and Coles would very hard on Dawes. Coles should have said something immediately, I don't buy that he didn't hear him or wasn't paying attention etc etc, it is "his podcast" and ultimately he should be responsible for what goes out on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I may well be adding 2+2 together and getting 5 but there’s a producer/podcaster who I follow on Twitter that works for Radio Derby and he deactivated his Twitter account pretty much straight after news broke about Ramage’s comments. Could he be the one who edited it and allowed it to go out? Again, it’s just an assumption and there could be nothing in it but seems a little odd he deactivated his account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambalin Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Tomorrow night's commentary team....is Chris Coles,Ed Dawes and Eric Steele...just been on six o clock sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 45 minutes ago, Rambalin said: Tomorrow night's commentary team....is Chris Coles,Ed Dawes and Eric Steele...just been on six o clock sport. Could be tempted to listen again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Rambalin said: Tomorrow night's commentary team....is Chris Coles,Ed Dawes and Eric Steele...just been on six o clock sport. Brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Rambalin said: Tomorrow night's commentary team....is Chris Coles,Ed Dawes and Eric Steele...just been on six o clock sport. Our thoughts are with B4 at this difficult time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Rambalin said: Tomorrow night's commentary team....is Chris Coles,Ed Dawes and Eric Steele...just been on six o clock sport. That's the end of that little distraction then. Upwards and onwards toward the next DCFC off the field calamity..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 49 minutes ago, europia said: the next DCFC off the field calamity..... I'd put this down as a radio Derby calamity rather than a DCFC calamity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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