Caerphilly Ram Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Just now, YouRams said: Wonder if he can be gifted a lovely new house which has nothing to do with Derby that might sway him to stay ? Are you the owner of Saracens rugby club per chance?! Rev, whiteroseram and Crewton 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Caerphilly Ram said: Are you the owner of Saracens rugby club per chance?! Unfortunately not, is he a very generous owner who's gift had nothing to do with the rugby club I take it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerphilly Ram Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, YouRams said: Unfortunately not, is he a very generous owner who's gift had nothing to do with the rugby club I take it ? He paid a number of the rugby club’s star players handsomely and within their salary cap of course….and also bought them houses and helped them set up businesses of their own away from the rugby club (or something along those lines), they were punished and ended up being relegated I think for massively breaching the salary rules. Naughty naughty rugby man Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 We will definitely leave the door open for him, so we will see. He did look genuinely gutted when he was subbed off on the final game, he (and I think everyone) thought it might be his last game. I do believe he's training with the club still, so obviously will just be weighing things up. I expect that he will end up going, but obviously isn't an easy decision for him. Rammy03, Zag zig, YouRams and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said: He paid a number of the rugby club’s star players handsomely and within their salary cap of course….and also bought them houses and helped them set up businesses of their own away from the rugby club (or something along those lines), they were punished and ended up being relegated I think for massively breaching the salary rules. Naughty naughty rugby man Very naughty indeed! I don't think any of us can handle another scandal for a few years so let's hope everything's above board... or never discovered Caerphilly Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag zig Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ambitious said: We will definitely leave the door open for him, so we will see. He did look genuinely gutted when he was subbed off on the final game, he (and I think everyone) thought it might be his last game. I do believe he's training with the club still, so obviously will just be weighing things up. I expect that he will end up going, but obviously isn't an easy decision for him. The dreamer in me says him staying, with the new signings would make us genuine automatic contenders, no ifs and buts, he’d be stardust in league 1 if he gave us a go, just for one season - also wonder if that’s what he’s thinking, just how we stack up as a squad to push for that. The realist says, nah he’s got to put his career and earnings before us, weigh up all offers put in front of him, including game time and he’ll end up Championship or SPL at the very least. Rammy03, TomG and r_wilcockson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKANorwichExile Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 19 minutes ago, Zag zig said: The dreamer in me says him staying, with the new signings would make us genuine automatic contenders, no ifs and buts, he’d be stardust in league 1 if he gave us a go, just for one season - also wonder if that’s what he’s thinking, just how we stack up as a squad to push for that. The realist says, nah he’s got to put his career and earnings before us, weigh up all offers put in front of him, including game time and he’ll end up Championship or SPL at the very least. It'd certainly play to his ego. He'd be the biggest fish in the pond by a mile and he'd look like a star. Banging in goals in League 1 would be better for his international plans than being decent in the Champ. Its probably beyond hope, but fingers are crossed. Zag zig and r_wilcockson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 I think Tom gets some unwarranted what seems like hatred on here I think he’s a good player and when speaking to opposition fans are always glad if he’s not playing but for me I do find his decision making at times frustrating if losing Tom would allow us to sign Hourihane Collins and Mcgoldrick I would accept that ….but still think he’s a good player albeit frustrating at times Caerphilly Ram, Zag zig and angieram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 The stick he gets vs his contribution on the pitch is ridiculous. He's an outstanding performer at Champ level. In L1? Forget about it. He'd be a cheat code. Pray he stays. Can't believe he woukd, unless somewhere deep down he feels he owes us. You never know. Will Hughes Hair, DCFC1388, w8sey and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Brolly Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, Needlesh said: He's an outstanding performer at Champ level. If that's the case prem clubs would be calling,he'd be a great player to have in League 1 but he never has been an outstanding player. EtoileSportiveDeDerby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 I'd be amazed if he stayed. Too good for League One and will at the very least have a couple of good offers from Championship clubs on the table. LeedsCityRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Maybe we could convince him to sign a new 2yr deal. If we get promoted there is a pay increase built in but if we dont we will sell next summer where we can be in a position to get some money in for him. r_wilcockson and Rammy03 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky1884 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) I'm sorry but Tom is 28 and has largely never kicked a top flight ball. Okay if we did keep him he might rip up L1 but he could also break his leg and be worth nothing in a years time. Unless he signed a contract that was a lot less than what he's on now I really wouldn't be fussed about it as its a massive risk. I'm sorry again but he really isn't a great player in my eyes. Do you really think if Mel had any offers for him he would have ripped their hand off. No one else rates him highly if you ask me. Edited July 5, 2022 by Tricky1884 Added wording Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said: Maybe we could convince him to sign a new 2yr deal. If we get promoted there is a pay increase built in but if we dont we will sell next summer where we can be in a position to get some money in for him. I am fairly sure that we wouldn't be able to offer a contract with such terms - the best we could do is a two year deal, with a gentleman's agreement on something further down the line when restrictions are lifted. I know the business plan, certainly one that Reading are under, is rigid and cuts out a lot of the bonus incentives to stop costs escalating. Not saying ours is the exact same, but would imagine it's similar in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tricky1884 said: I'm sorry but Tom is 28 and has never kicked a top flight ball. Okay if we did keep him he might rip up L1 but he could also break his leg and be worth nothing. Unless he signed a contract that was a lot less than what he's on now I really wouldn't be fussed about it. I'm sorry again but he really isn't a great player in my eyes. Once for Man Utd in 2014 and three times for Leicester in 2015 Rammy03 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Even if Sheffield United are the only club in for him, they’re still a much better proposition than us. No way he stays with us, he can play in the Championship at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, Ambitious said: I am fairly sure that we wouldn't be able to offer a contract with such terms - the best we could do is a two year deal, with a gentleman's agreement on something further down the line when restrictions are lifted. I know the business plan, certainly one that Reading are under, is rigid and cuts out a lot of the bonus incentives to stop costs escalating. Not saying ours is the exact same, but would imagine it's similar in that regard. I would imagine bonuses such as goals, clean sheets etc may not be allowed but I would imagine a promotion bonus is allowed when you consider the extra revenue involved. Rammy03 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, Tricky1884 said: I'm sorry but Tom is 28 and has largely never kicked a top flight ball. Okay if we did keep him he might rip up L1 but he could also break his leg and be worth nothing in a years time. Unless he signed a contract that was a lot less than what he's on now I really wouldn't be fussed about it as its a massive risk. I'm sorry again but he really isn't a great player in my eyes. Do you really think if Mel had any offers for him he would have ripped their hand off. No one else rates him highly if you ask me. The contract would have to be in line with the wage structure imposed so wouldnt be on what he is on now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said: I would imagine bonuses such as goals, clean sheets etc may not be allowed but I would imagine a promotion bonus is allowed when you consider the extra revenue involved. I know that Reading aren't allowed to, nor use that in a bid for a player. I personally don't see an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 I think we probably need to knock this one on the head and accept that he won't be taking a 70% pay cut to stay here. He can play in a far nicer league on actual grass for say 20% less in wages and keep his knees. At 28 he has another couple of years at a high earning rate. Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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