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Getting the thread back on track, saw this posted up elsewhere and I’d just like to say what a classy man Micheal O’Neill is, quote taken from the BBC website and considering his team lost, he showed nothing but empathy for our plight.

That wasn’t my point. Absolutely agree, I’ve praised Rooney elsewhere, he’s doing way better than many, under the circumstances.

I’m very similar, but his communication like his judgement on backing managers in the transfer market has been poor. Forget the last hour and look at how we arrived at where we are at, most of the time with the fans in the dark. Ed’s question about seeking the limelight was skirted around, on the basis certain managers bought more profile; not doubting that Lampard and Rooney have commercial advantages but he never came across as genuine in his answer to that, Mel enjoyed the limelight when things were positive in my opinion but has hidden with our backs against the wall. He may end up losing a lot of money, but running football clubs is for the most part vanity projects, very few make money out of it. It’s the ordinary workforce my sadness is for, Mel’s acknowledgement of their plight was painfully extracted in that interview. Bar what he did for the academy, I think his legacy is horrendous, to put us in a perilously dire state should a buyer not be found soon.

Did he say 15 enquiries over the weekend, maybe 2 or 3 serious?

Incredible listening, he’s just told Ed he feels for the staff, but didn’t have a long term solution, other than he wants to find a buyer. Ed then asking a difficult questions about why he’s not communicating. He’s hiding behind non disclosure about his P.R Then blaming leaks form other side, as to why things emerge. He could easily straighten the record without breaching non disclosure. Sorry it all sounds very shallow. Bit like his apologies towards the end.

Don’t like the sound of that, he’s just admitted we are in breach of 17/18 accounts by the EFL interpretation. The administrators will end up having to acquiesce to this for us to move forward.

This. He made mistakes learning on the job last year, he might make a few more, but considering the bum hand he’s been dealt, he’s showing his leadership and fighting characteristics in one. He doesn’t flap, he’s not moaning, just getting on with the job. What is clear, the players believe in him and are not just playing with pride, they’re actually implementing his tactics remarkably well, given the threadbare nature of our squad. For all Rooney has done wrong, lacking maturity at times, he’s actually proving a good mentor to our youngsters and the whole team are responding to his tactics. Going to be a long season, but Rooney comes across with far more sincerity, than anything we’ve heard from the boardroom in a long while. His comments on the staff losing jobs for me were both heartfelt and genuine. Whatever happens, his stock is rising amongst Derby fans and rightfully so. Keep up the good work Wayne 🐏 We as fans should believe in him.

Sparing a thought for those whose livelihoods are affected by this turmoil and what the possible consequences will do to them. Secondly the fans, some of whom will find this difficult and affect their moods. Lastly, a little down but whenever this unravels, ready to support a new Derby County, because the club has always been bigger than its owners, even the ones that fail us more, because at the end of the day, without the fans, the club is nothing, something the next owners need to remember.

Mel should be judged surely on results during his tenure and he’s left a bad legacy, but I also think he’s fallen foul of picking a scrap from very early on with the EFL he couldn’t win. Half his problems were trying to compete against a stacked deck, which does nothing for long term members of the EFL, that are trying to achieve promotion against ex premiership sides coming down with bloated coffers. So it’s not all Mel’s fault. Yet Mel was too desperate for success and failed. Whether it was appointing and trusting the wrong managers, the Sam Rush days, allowing others to spend transfer funds recklessly of whatever, the buck still stops with Mel. That he’s led us into administration within a relatively few years of taking us over, a side remember that was on the cusp of challenging for the Premiership, is now his epitaph on his tenure. Personally I feel he’s let down a lot of people, who could possibly suffer for this in many ways. So he doesn’t even score 1 for me. Shame on him for that in my mind.

Cracking point. They are turgid cloggers, don’t think they would have scored all night, might press and create a few chances but our defence was deserving of that, especially Roos. Well worth our share of the spoils tonight.

Can we have half a point if it’s all square at half time. Deserve it tonight, exceeding expectations and playing all right against the top table hoofers.

Great result for McLaren, like @Revwish it was Norris being a Brit but Danny Ric is a nice guy racer. Hamilton wasn’t at fault at all in my (maybe bias) eyes, so a 3 place grid penalty only works in his favour if he finishes the race in Russia; therefore it’s a very lenient punishment. For all I like the Dutch fans, I’m starting to dislike Max’s ego and make space for me at all costs. That’s not race craft, it’s dangerous uncontrollable arrogance and he needs to adapt or he’ll do someone a serious injury - how would he have felt if that halo hadn’t done its job? Bit of a tool how he stomped off. Good day for Bottas and Russell too, happy for both of them.

Lovely poll on the gump site...... quite hilarious, he’s not the messiah after all 😂

#fact check for eezzee, you do realise we sold our permitted allocation don’t you 😉

Her victory is just so Wow. Everyone saying so many nice things, she’s so humble and seems smart beyond her years. Really hopeful she has the mental toughness and support to cope with what’s coming, because if she does, tennis wise I think she’s only going to get better. Highly doubt this is the last time we see this young lady in a slam final, what an inspiration she will be for others in this country too. Sports personality of the year award hot favourite I’d say.

Now doesn’t that sum it up nicely Roy. For all the tippy tippy possession, we’re seemingly having to work our socks off, trying to create clear cut chances, because we seem to want to pass it in, whereas the opposition take pot shots(mostly toothless) but we gift them a goal. Yes Brum were physical and the ref pathetic, but it still looked like we lack the quality to play out from the back and no tangible goal threat in the final third today.

Kids in pubs used to be a great idea, specially Saturday nights or Sunday dinners. From what I remember of it, kid sits quietly in corner, watching the crib match, reading the “Green un”, Grandad, Dad or opponents pint empties, said kid is nudged to go up to bar and bring fresh pint every time ones goes empty; being very careful not to spill any or else face being ridiculed by a troop of old geezers, happy to inflict embarrassment at every opportunity. Cheeky half shandy and/or packets of crisps were a constant reward for doing a good job, try and forget the passive smoking. Rising Sun, Woodville proper pub at the time, nothing wrong with being grounded by salt of the earth types, that had years of stories and mickey taking to impart on an innocent kid.

First time in the “Home” end, as a nipper my Dad took me to Anfield, we ended up standing behind the dugouts because my old man didn’t want me in with our other nutters who had traveled on Viking buses in the away end. Cheered when we scored, can’t even remember the result, just the experience and my old man nudging me to pipe down. Around the same time, also did Everton in their “home” end, we lost in the cup I think but again remember the old man rescuing 2 scousers who get getting lynched by their scarves at the front of the away buses. (He was a bit hard I suppose, so people tended not to mess with him). We were on the front (Viking buses again) coach, parked up outside the cemetery in a line. 4 or 5 Boro coaches were further down and they were coming over Stanley Park after playing Liverpool the same day (yes that long back). Was knee high and only recall the mayhem in truth. Bizarrely though, my old man taught me, so long as you are respectful you can go anywhere. Since then I’ve watched the Rams in away stands at Stoke, Leicester, Man Utd, Norwich, Ipswich, Wolves, Villa, Plymouth Barnsley, Sunderland and Sheffield Utd; I’m sure I missed some, but all great experiences and fun to take the p***.Particularly when we win, very often the locals know you’re an outsider, more so if you’re grinning like a Cheshire Cat, oh dear never mind, what a shame, when your team wins. Like when Wanchope scores a wonder goal. Little trouble in the corporate sections, they get used to fans mixing, so why not.

Best thing about today was the Orange army celebrations, can’t really knock them, it’s no different to Silverstone for us Brits. Pretty awesome sight in truth, i like Dutch fans at any sport for all the colour and passion they bring.

Just about beat Ireland on his own in the last minute and extra time (though it was a great cross 1st goal and uncharacteristic of him, he missed an earlier penalty).

So bad.....no roll eyes 👀 emoji I had to clap 😂

Esteban Fuertes v Everton, scored on his debut, instant hero to replace Wanchope, things didn’t quite go to plan thereafter.

I’m surprised at the number of posts in the match thread that seem a bit down. Totally get it was only a draw against our local rivals, mediocre rivals at that. First half though we pretty much bossed it and were far more inventive and creative. Had we got the rub with a better ref, a penalty given or had Stretton just connected sweeter from the brilliance of Sibley, we would have comfortably won; because no way would that poor Forest team have scored twice. We don’t seem comfortable one in front at the minute, always seems a ricket lurking. Yet under the circumstances of everything of the pitch, the glimpses we are seeing from the nucleus of this team is very encouraging. Rooney is slowly evolving this team into a decent one. He’s honest in his assessments and to give him more credit appreciates the backing the fans are giving right now. As much as not winning is a bit deflating, there’s a fair few reasons for optimism in this team under Rooney; he’s slowly winning me back over.

Yep. Fully understand the sentiment of the thread but equally we’ve had our nose in front 4 times now, if we had kept a clean sheet in all those games, well the maths are easy on lost points. You could just as easily say, scoring first is not a problem but managing a game out to keep a clean sheet is an issue.