Ramos Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 The title almost gave me a heart attack. LeedsCityRam and CBRammette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 It would no doubt wind some clubs up a treat if a liquidated DCFC were somehow allowed to join L2. Demotion to the very lowest level of the pyramid is deemed the only acceptable punishment by some. Yet it's strange that none of them have lobbied for this in the cases of previous miscreants like QPR, Leicester, Forest, Bournemouth etc etc. Annihilation is seemingly a punishment only worthy of DCFC in the eyes of some. plymouthram, Dordogne-Ram and Indy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 35 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I'm getting confused by all this - hope it doesn't come to liquidation, but what would happen to the Clubs assets ie players etc if the Club's ownership was transferred to another company? Good question. In Wigans case of course the club and the golden share (ie EFL membership right) were sold altogether to the phoenix company , but that was before liquidation. If Derby ran out of money In February, I guess we would need to let all players go as we couldn't keep them if we couldn't afford their wages. The registrations would then pass to the EFL would would then try and sell them in order to go towards the creditors. So we wouldn't be able to complete the 2021/2 season and would be relegated.. by two divisions instead of one. We would then need to find a new squad to play in League 2. Pretty apocalyptic but not as bad as total vaporisation.I hope it doesnt happen and we find a buyer but if we don't at least it wouldn't be as bad as Bury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 23, 2022 Author Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: If Derby ran out of money In February, I guess we would need to let all players go as we couldn't keep them if we couldn't afford their wages. The registrations would then pass to the EFL would would then try and sell them in order to go towards the creditors. So we wouldn't be able to complete the 2021/2 season and would be relegated.. by two divisions instead of one. We would then need to find a new squad to play in League 2. Pretty apocalyptic but not as bad as total vaporisation. I hope it doesnt happen and we find a buyer but if we don't at least it wouldn't be as bad as Bury. So from that we can see why Nixon was suggesting that the EFL would allow us to 'restart' in League 2! What have we done to deserve that? Really? The only thing stopping us coming out of administration is Boro and Wycombe's claims! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: So from that we can see why Nixon was suggesting that the EFL would allow us to 'restart' in League 2! What have we done to deserve that? Really? The only thing stopping us coming out of administration is Boro and Wycombe's claims! Yes he did say that is more likely that we have a buyer, but fallback could be League 2 if we (ie the Holding Company) are liquidated first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 This is the least of my worries. Tamworthram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Rangers are a good example: "Rangers went bust and were liquidated, so the Rangers now aren't the rangers that they were before, it's not the same club." The staunch: "Naw. It's Rangers" Logic: It cannot be, even if the new club bought the name and image rights etc, it's not the same club. The staunch: "Naw it's Rangers" (repeat until everone gives up) Win Scottish league: 55 everywhere in the city. for a club that's won one title. Rangers, proof that relity and logic can be overcome by sufficient staunchness. RoyMac5, GenBr and plymouthram 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, PistoldPete said: No thats not true Roy. The club is a separate entity from the Company that owns it. Wigan were liquidated last year, still playing in the EFL in fact no further punishment apart from the 12 point deduction which as it happened did relegate them to League One. And it's still the same club. The same badge, the same history , the same ground , the same fans. Leeds United were liquidated too. Same thing. It will be sad to see the old Company go but to be honest it may be that that is what Q were planning anyway, liquidating the old Company and transferring the club to a new one. That is not a phoenix club. It's a phoenix Company. The rules were changed after Leeds got liquidated, Wigan were sold on before the company that originally bought them out of administration went bust Wigan FC were never liquidated. Rev and RoyMac5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, atherstoneram said: The rules were changed after Leeds got liquidated, Wigan were sold on before the company that originally bought them out of administration went bust Wigan FC were never liquidated. What rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Could this title be changed please! LeedsCityRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 23, 2022 Author Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, CBRammette said: Could this title be changed please! Get a mod to do it. I've no problem with that, I just wanted to discuss the ramifications of liquidation. angieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curb Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Right, so the EFL don’t want to kill us off completely, they just want to strangle us for a few years, kick us in the knackers, punch us till we’re on the floor, then kick us in the head until we’re unconscious. But they don’t want to kill us off completely because we’re a big club and we bring in a lot of revenue, and so, money. Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Even if we started in League Two as a "new" entity but were still called Derby County Football Club, we'd never hear the end of it. Just ask Rangers. And there'd be a part of you too that would feel something went missing. If we were relegated on the pitch, that's a continuation. If we're talking about a whole new squad, a whole new manager, a whole new owner, a whole new home venue (at least in the short term), a whole new training ground, a whole new league with entirely different circumstances, you've lost the threads of continuation. I know we're delving into philosophy here but it's similar to the Ship of Theseus, or for a more pop culture reference, Trigger's Broom. If we can't feasibly tie any new parts of the club together to the old, it's not what it used to be. Incremental change means we can honestly say our club is a continuation of that which was a founder member of the league. A continuation of '46, '72 and '75 amongst other glories. A badge and a name is not enough to still be the same DCFC I'm afraid. We have to survive, otherwise we cannot honestly believe in ourselves that we have a continuous history from 1884 to 2022. 138 unbroken years must not be broken GlastoEls, S8TY, RadioactiveWaste and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Boycie said: I wouldn’t be against joining league two if that was the doomsday scenario. If that guarantees that Middlesbrough and Wycombe get nothing I’ll take it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammeister Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 The thing that amazes me is that we were founder members of the Football League…the same organisation that are making things so difficult for us. Talk about biting off the historic hand that fed you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Tombo said: Even if we started in League Two as a "new" entity but were still called Derby County Football Club, we'd never hear the end of it. Just ask Rangers. And there'd be a part of you too that would feel something went missing. If we were relegated on the pitch, that's a continuation. If we're talking about a whole new squad, a whole new manager, a whole new owner, a whole new home venue (at least in the short term), a whole new training ground, a whole new league with entirely different circumstances, you've lost the threads of continuation. I know we're delving into philosophy here but it's similar to the Ship of Theseus, or for a more pop culture reference, Trigger's Broom. If we can't feasibly tie any new parts of the club together to the old, it's not what it used to be. Incremental change means we can honestly say our club is a continuation of that which was a founder member of the league. A continuation of '46, '72 and '75 amongst other glories. A badge and a name is not enough to still be the same DCFC I'm afraid. We have to survive, otherwise we cannot honestly believe in ourselves that we have a continuous history from 1884 to 2022. 138 unbroken years must not be broken So how is it different to Leeds United? Or Wigan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: This is what being liquidated would also mean. It wouldn't be the same club. Derby County would no longer exist and we would therefore not be a founder member. So when you consider the 'generosity' of the EFL in (allegedly) suggesting we could start again in League 2, this is what they're proposing. Have a look at the classic car industry. There are Alfas, Bugattis,Aston Martins and Maseratis being raced as "original" cars "the one that won this great race or another back to 1930 something. With Nouvolari at the wheel etc etc . The only original thing being a chassis number .. Engines rebuilt anywhere from Lincolnshire to Northampton, bodies re made by artisans in every country. They are accepted as 100% "original" and unique. If we are called Derby County and supported by Derby County fans then it is us that defines its originality and status as a founding member. If You follow that team in the footsteps of your forfathers it is DCFC plymouthram and JoetheRam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: So how is it different to Leeds United? Or Wigan? Players stayed, academy stayed, staff stayed, stadium stayed, training facilities stayed, team were relegated on the pitch rather than banished 2 entire leagues and told to start again. I pretty much said that above, we need threads of continuation otherwise it won't be DCFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Ramos said: The title almost gave me a heart attack. I know, it's that full stop, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 I really don't get all this self flagellation. angieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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