Tamworthram Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kuskus said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10961729/Derby-County-face-points-deduction-season.html Does the FA even have the power to impose a points deduction (as the article implies)? Surely only the EFL can deduct points in the EFL. Also it says they are facing pressure from other clubs? Really, the news has only just broken so I would have thought there’s little chance other clubs have contacted the EFL (incidentally. Not the FA) about the suspended points deduction so early whilst it’s still being investigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 Ram Raider Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kuskus said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10961729/Derby-County-face-points-deduction-season.html Oh just f****n leave us alone you sad pathetic excuse of a newspaper. inter politics, LeedsCityRam, Ramarena and 17 others 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Yep, 500,000 shares, would that be to Mel Morris by any chance? I don't see that it's anything to do with Morris at all. As far as I can see, it's by no means certain that this company is even related to the takeover - it could be for something else that Clowes are doing. But if it is related to us (and bear in mind that this is my wild, probably very uniformed, speculation), then it's my understanding that the only reason you'd issue shares in a big number like that is if you wanted an unequal ownership arrangement (in terms of percentage of the company owned). Normally you see things like 1 or 2 shares in a company like this - for example Morris only had 1 share in Gellaw Newco 202, since he was the sole owner. And up until yesterday, it looks like David Clowes and Ian Dickinson had 1 share each as equal partners. So if they're issuing that many shares now, does that mean they want to give somebody else a smaller holding? It could just be that they're giving Clowes 99.9% of the company and Dickinson the remaining 1 share, to reflect the amount of cash they've each put in or something. Or it could be a 3rd party is taking some stake. Or maybe I have no clue what I'm talking about. CBRammette and LazloW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Tamworthram said: Does the FA even have the power to impose a points deduction (as the article implies)? Surely only the EFL can deduct points in the EFL. Also it says they are facing pressure from other clubs? Really, the news has only just broken so I would have thought there’s little chance other clubs have contacted the EFL (incidentally. Not the FA) about the suspended points deduction so early whilst it’s still being investigated. Not even Gibson or Couhig ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archram Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 @duncanjwitham I need to say thanks for inadvertently bringing a smile to my face through all this. I always read your name as duncan with jam and , being a bear of very little brain, it amuses me every time! i-Ram, duncanjwitham, ColonelBlimp and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, hintonsboots said: Not even Gibson or Couhig ? I wouldn’t think so. Not yet anyway. And not from Gibson given we’re now in a different league (regardless of how vindictive we may think he is. He’s got his pound of flesh - a payout, Derby relegated and Morris gone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 So we might get the 3 point deduction for not paying the wages even though they were paid, what a load of nonsense, pointless article RadioactiveWaste and Tamworthram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, archram said: @duncanjwitham I need to say thanks for inadvertently bringing a smile to my face through all this. I always read your name as duncan with jam and , being a bear of very little brain, it amuses me every time! I always thought that too archram, Miggins and angieram 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambalin Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 19 minutes ago, HedgeEnder said: Why of why is Mr PloopyPants and his band of moronic followers on OTIB still obsessed with our club. We are sorting our problems but there is now 155 pages of rants and drivel about Derby County. You woud think they would be more concerned over the dismal prospects of their own little club and their own battle to beat the drop next season. Sorry a little of topic but very annoying never the less Are they still sharing the one cell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, archram said: @duncanjwitham I need to say thanks for inadvertently bringing a smile to my face through all this. I always read your name as duncan with jam and , being a bear of very little brain, it amuses me every time! Doesn’t seem to amuse him very much though. Ah well. archram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggins Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, archram said: @duncanjwitham I need to say thanks for inadvertently bringing a smile to my face through all this. I always read your name as duncan with jam and , being a bear of very little brain, it amuses me every time! Same here! I think it's a result of skim reading (and varifocals just being slightly at the wrong angle!) PS These remarks are meant affectionately. Edited June 28, 2022 by Miggins archram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, i-Ram said: Doesn’t seem to amuse him very much though. Ah well. I was willing to tolerate it until you put a Theresa May GIF in close proximity to my name tbh... SaffyRam, i-Ram, Kathcairns and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 22 minutes ago, Kuskus said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10961729/Derby-County-face-points-deduction-season.html Matt Hughes consistently makes stuff up he is the worst of a bad bunch of journos who have covered the Rams story. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inter politics Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Hughes from the daily fail is a sad excuse for a journalist. Clearly anti-Derby. PistoldPete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eatonram Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Just now, inter politics said: Hughes from the daily fail is a sad excuse for a journalist. Clearly anti-Derby. Isnt he a dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood P Dowd Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 CK did state, as PB, he would find the club from May. Q accepted the wage payment on behalf of the Club Why would the club be docked three points, the wages were paid! David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerphilly Ram Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Pauline Latham just dropped a “Notts” Forest into her closing remarks of the parliamentary debate currently happening, the other MPs all noticed it and laughed ? SaffyRam, CBRammette, RoyMac5 and 21 others 4 9 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Apologies if this has been stated before… Does anyone know roughly how much Clowes / the specific group that are attempting to buy the club are worth? How much money they have in comparison to say Mel Morris / Mike Ashley? Its fairytale stuff for a fan and local guy to buy your club (heard that somewhere before) but can he actually afford this? And by afford I mean pay off debts / buy an entire new squad / a new coaching team / new recruitment department / all the other never ending bills that come with owning a money guzzling football club in 2022? Its all well and good saying: it doesn’t matter how much he has as long as he runs us properly, but that is a very unrealistic way of looking at this. Derby4Me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said: Apologies if this has been stated before… Does anyone know roughly how much Clowes / the specific group that are attempting to buy the club are worth? How much money they have in comparison to say Mel Morris / Mike Ashley? Its fairytale stuff for a fan and local guy to buy your club (heard that somewhere before) but can he actually afford this? And by afford I mean pay off debts / buy an entire new squad / a new coaching team / new recruitment department / all the other never ending bills that come with owning a money guzzling football club in 2022? Its all well and good saying: it doesn’t matter how much he has as long as he runs us properly, but that is a very unrealistic way of looking at this. My view... I don't think he's in it for the long term. I suspect his plan is 3 years max, and he likely has money to do little more than that. I think he's solely in the business of saving the club he loves from disaster (which is why he got involved much later than the other parties) and his limited ambition is to get the club stable and saleable and move on quite quickly. Edited June 28, 2022 by therealhantsram derbydaz22 and LazloW 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerphilly Ram Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said: Its all well and good saying: it doesn’t matter how much he has as long as he runs us properly, but that is a very unrealistic way of looking at this. That depends entirely on what your expectations are. There are many examples of football clubs that are owned by people who are wealthy but not on the level of a Mike Ashley or Mel Morris, those clubs are ran within their means and exist for the fans to attend, which is something Derby has come dangerously close at ceasing to do. There are a number of clubs who’s owners are worth considerably more than Mel Morris is reported to be and those clubs aren’t punching at Premier League level. Wealth doesn’t always equal a successful business or football club. I am happy that it still looks like I’ll have a club to support, a club that once debts are settled and sensible business models put it place should be capable of competing on the pitch using revenue generated from a good sized fan base and an excellent academy. Edited June 28, 2022 by Caerphilly Ram Premier ram, ck-, ossieram and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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