Rammeister Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 20 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: He attempts to come across as very reasoned and caring about Derby - but we're one of many, so I'm not feeling special! ? But really he just comes across as feeling bitter about not being 'chosen'. If he got bored of wasting money trying to buy us, god only knows how quickly he'd have got bored of wasting money trying to run us! ? Who have we sold then?! Lol. Who were our two best 'roster assets' then? This guy would make a good Red Top journo! ? Our quarterback and short stop. RoyMac5 and Ram-Alf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 The reason he has done it this way is to make it clear that the only way for there to be a fair hearing is through the high court. If he just agrees to indemnify the claim, the EFL and Middlesbrough will continue to push for closed shop arbitration rather than a court decision, where they can select their counsel to get the result they want. Their track record of impartiality when it comes to Derby County is pretty damning. Mel Morris doesn't trust the EFL to play fair. I don't trust the EFL to play fair either. Crazy, r_wilcockson, Zag zig and 32 others 9 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said: But you get a load of Derby fans outside EFl House and you risk events spiralling out of control in a very bad way, which will attract more press attention that all of our efforts to date. And will bring shame on us all and damage the club that I love just as much as you Rowdy scenes outside EFL HQ here in Preston, With the gates locked missiles are being thrown, People are trying to climb the gates, Police and security are doing their level best to keep the angry crowd at bay, There's an estimated 5000 very angry fans here. I'm speaking to Thomas who's been a supporter of Derby County for 45 years, Thomas why are you here demonstrating, Hello Andrew, The EFL and Middlesboro are doing their level best to put DCFC out of business, By trying to extort money from us with ludicrous accusations, Steve Gibson went after the EFL at 1st but said that if you go after DCFC we'll drop our threat to sue the EFL, Since then the EFL have done nothing absolutely nothing for one of it's members. But Thomas haven't DCFC been cheating, No Andrew, All charges were thrown out except for a miner indiscretion of poor explanation of our accounting method where we were fined £100k, We've had 21 points deducted for our sins, Now there's people out there that wont be satisfied until we're put to death. Well thank you Thomas, There you have it folks, The EFL and Middlesboro look to be the evil ones here. Andrew Pointsman Sky news Preston...jesus christ that bottle just missed my head. Edited February 5, 2022 by Unlucky Alf kevinhectoring, Ewetube, Kathcairns and 3 others 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 21 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: He attempts to come across as very reasoned and caring about Derby - but we're one of many, so I'm not feeling special! ? But really he just comes across as feeling bitter about not being 'chosen'. If he got bored of wasting money trying to buy us, god only knows how quickly he'd have got bored of wasting money trying to run us! ? Who have we sold then?! Lol. Who were our two best 'roster assets' then? This guy would make a good Red Top journo! ? CK’s continued engagement suggests he might not yet be done with us. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Not sure if it’s been mentioned before but could Mel know they’ll reject it but Mel has maybe made a deal with a new potential owner that he’ll take any liability if Boro or Wycombe win in arbitration? But he’s done this statement to make it public that 1. The EFL are useless and willing to let a club die to cover there own backs? 2. Gibson would be happy to see Derby die just to try get a penny back! Or am I being too positive thinking Mel is willing to cover cost if they reject it? Ghost of Clough, kevinhectoring and r_wilcockson 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 18 minutes ago, angieram said: Yes. We wouldn't want to inconvenience those nice people that work at the EFL, would we? Come one AngieRam, you know even better than I do what some of our fans are like. An out of control protest in Middlesborough, at EFl House or even the Waitrose in Wycombe could become a very serious stain on the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Just now, kevinhectoring said: Come one AngieRam, you know even better than I do what some of our fans are like. An out of control protest in Middlesborough, at EFl House or even the Waitrose in Wycombe could become a very serious stain on the club. You were at the march in Derby, were you? Not one bit of trouble. Crewton, Animal is a Ram, Ramfambo and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: He’s never going to indemnify the club for EFL arbitration losses though. He’s literally just written a 4 page essay about how corrupt he thinks they are. I hope you’re wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 He’s also left things a bit too late. Why didn’t he get involved sooner, before the end of the transfer window, to try and get a resolution ? CBRammette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, angieram said: You were at the march in Derby, were you? Not one bit of trouble. Marching in Derby where everybody sympathises with the club is a lot different to doing the same in Boro or at the EFL. You can't seriously compare the two situations. I will be very surprised if the boro match is trouble free. r_wilcockson and JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, angieram said: The reason he has done it this way is to make it clear that the only way for there to be a fair hearing is through the high court. If he just agrees to indemnify the claim, the EFL and Middlesbrough will continue to push for closed shop arbitration rather than a court decision, where they can select their counsel to get the result they want. Their track record of impartiality when it comes to Derby County is pretty damning. Mel Morris doesn't trust the EFL to play fair. I don't trust the EFL to play fair either. Exactly what I've tried to say elsewhere today but better. My concern with @kevinhectoringtype arguments for Mel to just 'sign whatever' is its splitting our argument/consensus and turning us on each other. Most fans DO NOT want to pay off Boro. The single narrative should be that Boro and the EFL have been colluding to shaft us and so it should go the High Court. MPs are arguing this, EFL have suggested it should be OK. Mel is on board and the public will see it as fair. Ramarena, strawhillram, Ewetube and 10 others 4 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eatonram Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 11 hours ago, PistoldPete said: The offer of a mediation to a neutral would seem pragmatic and a way forward. But it would achieve absolutely nothing. why? Because Boro and Wycombe will walk away unless they are offered Cash. There is no way this would be about anything other than a way of getting money from the Club or Mel as a price to pay for unblocking admin. There would be no point in arguing the merits of the claim the meeting will only achieve an outcome if there is an offer of cash. An offer of cash would be portrayed as legitimising the claims and the whole cheating accusations would then be said to have been proved. If they were confident of their claim they would accept Mels offer to see them in court. But they won’t. r_wilcockson, kevinhectoring, RadioactiveWaste and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksRam Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: CK’s continued engagement suggests he might not yet be done with us. That thought struck me too otherwise why bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: CK’s continued engagement suggests he might not yet be done with us. He’s making things worse with his random tweets. Don’t want him near us. Zag zig, r_wilcockson, archram and 9 others 4 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: CK’s continued engagement suggests he might not yet be done with us. He comes across as a petulant child, no thanks ? Chester40, Indyram, Kathcairns and 5 others 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, BucksRam said: That thought struck me too otherwise why bother. Cos he's an attention seeking plonker who buys a cheap coat and tells the world he's buying the club before mouthing off every 5mins like a stroppy teenager? RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Chester40 said: Exactly what I've tried to say elsewhere today but better. My concern with @kevinhectoringtype arguments for Mel to just 'sign whatever' is its splitting our argument/consensus and turning us on each other. Most fans DO NOT want to pay off Boro. The single narrative should be that Boro and the EFL have been colluding to shaft us and so it should go the High Court. MPs are arguing this, EFL have suggested it should be OK. Mel is on board and the public will see it as fair. Understand the overall sentiment and even agree with it. But I think as soon as you get into the details of what you’re proposing (High Court action) you realise these legal actions are complicated uncertain and expensive and they take ages. Don’t just believe the comments on here that the admins have free and easy access to the court’s diary, that’s a mile from the truth. They might have top priority when it comes to the admin proceedings, but those are narrow proceedings and the likes of Gibbo and Couhig are no part of them. @Brailsford Ramhas been pushing this topic I think would be interested in their input Chester40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said: He’s making things worse with his random tweets. Don’t want him near us. We dodged a bullet with CK Ram-Alf, Indyram, strawhillram and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksRam Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chester40 said: Cos he's an attention seeking plonker who buys a cheap coat and tells the world he's buying the club before mouthing off every 5mins like a stroppy teenager? Yeah probably. You'd have thought he had better things to do. Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 minute ago, kevinhectoring said: Understand the overall sentiment and even agree with it. But I think as soon as you get into the details of what you’re proposing (High Court action) you realise these legal actions are complicated uncertain and expensive and they take ages. Don’t just believe the comments on here that the admins have free and easy access to the court’s diary, that’s a mile from the truth. They might have top priority when it comes to the admin proceedings, but those are narrow proceedings and the likes of Gibbo and Couhig are no part of them. @Brailsford Ramhas been pushing this topic I think would be interested in their input Doesn’t MM need to indemnify the buyers or all this is meaningless. It’s not possible for Boro to claim from MM direct is it ! Jimbo Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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