Gee SCREAMER !! Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Can't we just get Waghorn to scribble Middlesbrough is a poohole and has a club with no fans. If Derby had offered me a fiver a week to avoid those six fingered society rejects, I'd have took it. Problem sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 28 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Do you think that for us to even be in those playoffs meant we levered an advantage over the majority of the other teams in the Championship. Ultimately we failed to realise what we were attempting to do absolutely agree with you on that point. As another poster has already stated ultimately it's irrelevant if we did gain an advantage or not it's whether we broke any rules in the process. What advantage did we "lever" over Middlesborough? When they had a higher wage bill than us? Or Stoke? Who spent shed loads and knicked Rowett off us? And as this poster has said when Millwall broke the rules they didn't even get a fine, because they were relegated anyway. And what rules have we broken again? An accounting standard, according to a group of non-accountants. yeah, right. What I think we were attempting to do was buy and sell in the transfer market like Brentford. We didn't do that very well, that's true. Like Brentford we kept on failing in play off games too. Brentford eventually succeeded at the umpteenth attempt , whilst we didn't. Unlucky darts. But why should we be punished for that surely not succeeding is punishment enough especially when the dice are loaded against us in the first place? OohMartWright and Indy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 13 hours ago, Crewton said: We've already seen from his responses to RamsTrust questions that he's adopting a "before my time" approach. It's the previous regime, who failed to spot what Derby (and others) were doing and who acted far too sluggishly who are to blame for any issues, not him and his current team. You can also see from his recently publicised agenda for change that we're the perfect example of the "failed owner-financed" model that helps to back up his calls for a new approach and a different financial model. Ask yourself what he's done so far to help either Morris or the Administrators mitigate the club's financial difficulties (it's an easy one) and that provides further evidence that the liquidation of DCFC could be quite useful to him, or at the very least would be of no great concern to him. some people can have a fantastical approach to these matters that is in reality conspiratorial. I don't take that approach and I don't think it's in the EFL's interest that one of its founder and biggest members go out of business thus it makes little sense for the essential head of the EFL to take this approach. Rather than focusing on the utter mismanagement that has dragged our club to this position instead we're going after bogeymen who think they're setting us up for a fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 The thread title needs changing to: Derby fans fight for 12 point deduction (according to Radio Derby) Rampage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 9 hours ago, PistoldPete said: What I think we were attempting to do was buy and sell in the transfer market like Brentford. We didn't do that very well, that's true. You mean by not looking any further than a Wasserman Player Catalogue. You need to give your head a wobble. Our transfer market policy was diametrically opposed to that which Brentford were doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 minute ago, i-Ram said: You mean by not looking any further than a Wasserman Player Catalogue. You need to give your head a wobble. Our transfer market policy was diametrically opposed to that which Brentford were doing. Well we hoped to buy and sell at a profit. and did so wih Ince and vydra and some of the academy players.. The selling side wasn't too bad apart from messed up on Will Hughes. Our buying strategy was very poor indeed , and no arguments on that front. We nearly signed Ollie Watkins .. who ended up at Brentford! Grrrr! i-Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Leeds Ram said: some people can have a fantastical approach to these matters that is in reality conspiratorial. I don't take that approach and I don't think it's in the EFL's interest that one of its founder and biggest members go out of business thus it makes little sense for the essential head of the EFL to take this approach. Rather than focusing on the utter mismanagement that has dragged our club to this position instead we're going after bogeymen who think they're setting us up for a fall. Whilst I would agree we cannot know what motivates Rick Parry although he strikes me as egotistical, it is I believe a fact that he has done nothing to help the club in its predicament, and much to hinder it. And I do not think the EFL or their apologists are in any position to lecture Derby about its "mismanagement". Edited October 24, 2021 by PistoldPete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 18 hours ago, PistoldPete said: ...Trying to penalise the club... for gaining an unfair disadvantage... Was just about to say you've cocked up there, but actually, as it's turned out, I'm not sure you have! Looks like Mel achieved that in the end! ? Tyler Durden and Woodley Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Mucker1884 said: Was just about to say you've cocked up there, but actually, as it's turned out, I'm not sure you have! Looks like Mel achieved that in the end! ? Well yes it was a typo but also a very good point. We have been deducted 12 points for already being at an unfair disadvanatge compared to other teams. Mucker1884 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Tup Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 hours ago, PistoldPete said: Whilst I would agree we cannot know what motivates Rick Parry although he strikes me as egotistical, it is I believe a fact that he has done nothing to help the club in its predicament, and much to hinder it. And I do not think the EFL or their apologists are in any position to lecture Derby about its "mismanagement". Why would he help us? We’re pissing him about again by questioning the efls authority over the 12pt deduction. The same arrogance from Morris is there with the administrator, as I’ve said before (and I know it isn’t popular on here), we all have to show some humility before we ask for help in anything we do. Wolfie20 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, Gritstone Tup said: Why would he help us? We’re pissing him about again by questioning the efls authority over the 12pt deduction. The same arrogance from Morris is there with the administrator, as I’ve said before (and I know it isn’t popular on here), we all have to show some humility before we ask for help in anything we do. No, we're sticking to the EFL's procedures. The 12 points have to be imposed before an appeal can take place. 12 points was automatic for going into administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 It is a fact that there is an EFL rule that allows for cases of force majuere. Simply appealing the decision on the basis of an existing rule that may apply isn’t “pissing him about” at all, the EFL would have expected it even though they may be “disappointed” Humility is one thing, doing the best you can by exploring all the available avenues to avoid the worst outcome for you is another. Purely my own opinion of course! Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 33 minutes ago, Gritstone Tup said: Why would he help us? We’re pissing him about again by questioning the efls authority over the 12pt deduction. The same arrogance from Morris is there with the administrator, as I’ve said before (and I know it isn’t popular on here), we all have to show some humility before we ask for help in anything we do. Yeah let’s just let the 12 points stand when we have a legitimate right to appeal. Also let’s just accept the 9 point P&S penalty when (according to Mel) we’ve breached by £4m which is a 4 point breach, while Reading are facing 6 points despite blowing P&S to bits Indy, Crewton, r_wilcockson and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldben Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 According to Nixon in The Sun on Sunday (24.10.21, pg. 65), Derby County will ask potential new owners to help pay wages. The club will ask certain takeover groups to oversee some ‘soft loans' to help cover wage costs until a permanent buyer is found, which administrators Quantuma hope will be before the end of the year. Buyers will be asked to submit formal offers of around £50m in the coming weeks. 1) what are buyers getting for 50 million, ownership of the ground?! A huge chunk of the debt paid off?! 2) what's in it for potential owners, to pay the wages are they guaranteed first rights on the club; 3) If it continues to look like the club is being relegated, since derbys failing to win matches, then I think the clubs value reduces and I reckon 5 million for a club with this debt level and that's in League One might be worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Oldben said: 3) If it continues to look like the club is being relegated, since derbys failing to win matches, then I think the clubs value reduces and I reckon 5 million for a club with this debt level and that's in League One might be worth it May I ask how you've calculated that valuation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 42 minutes ago, Gritstone Tup said: Why would he help us? We’re pissing him about again by questioning the efls authority over the 12pt deduction. The same arrogance from Morris is there with the administrator, as I’ve said before (and I know it isn’t popular on here), we all have to show some humility before we ask for help in anything we do. EFL is supposed to represent the interests of member clubs. Derby is a member club... in fact a founding member. Would it be too much for a body that represents its members interests to try and help a member in its hour of need? The 12 point deduction is an automatic deduction so it's not as if the EFL made any decisons on that, the process is set out in the EFL Rules which are also being followed by the administrators. There is no need for anyone to feel pissed about or "shocked" by that, in fact is is completly improper for EFL to comment in such a way. Sparkle, Reggie Greenwood, Indy and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 58 minutes ago, Oldben said: According to Nixon in The Sun on Sunday (24.10.21, pg. 65), Derby County will ask potential new owners to help pay wages. The club will ask certain takeover groups to oversee some ‘soft loans' to help cover wage costs until a permanent buyer is found, which administrators Quantuma hope will be before the end of the year. Buyers will be asked to submit formal offers of around £50m in the coming weeks. 1) what are buyers getting for 50 million, ownership of the ground?! A huge chunk of the debt paid off?! 2) what's in it for potential owners, to pay the wages are they guaranteed first rights on the club; 3) If it continues to look like the club is being relegated, since derbys failing to win matches, then I think the clubs value reduces and I reckon 5 million for a club with this debt level and that's in League One might be worth it We are clearly not going down if we are only finally docked 12 points. kevinhectoring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 52 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: EFL is supposed to represent the interests of member clubs. Derby is a member club... in fact a founding member. Would it be too much for a body that represents its members interests to try and help a member in its hour of need? The 12 point deduction is an automatic deduction so it's not as if the EFL made any decisons on that, the process is set out in the EFL Rules which are also being followed by the administrators. There is no need for anyone to feel pissed about or "shocked" by that, in fact is is completly improper for EFL to comment in such a way. COVID makes automatic penalty seem negotiable to me. Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Prospective buyers can see that we have s decent team with developing young players. A few key signings would allow us to challenge for top six imo. kevinhectoring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Why would anyone commit to paying the wages of a business they don’t own ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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