hintonsboots Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Oldben said: I wonder if it's worth dumping a truck load of manure at efl hq We can’t afford it. Derby4Me and jimtastic56 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 43 minutes ago, Eddie said: On the contrary, for the past few seasons we have been in the hands of somebody clearly prepared to gamble - and for the most part, Derby fans were happy with that situation. The administrators are working with one remit only - to do their best on behalf of the creditors. Wouldn’t we be worth more with less points deducted. Therefore creditors would get more if we had a lesser points deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 so with just over a third of the season gone the efl have an offering with one club already relegated and two of the relegated premier league sides last season likely to get promoted back (or be close). Little drama or interest and possibly problems when renegotiating broadcast media contracts. Time for a new breakaway competition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know nuffin Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Ps either the administrators, the club or the EFL need to find out where the leaks are coming from and plug them by sacking the guilty for gross misconduct. Too much is reported by the media not official sources. PistoldPete, Abu Derby, jono and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, Oldben said: I wonder if it's worth dumping a truck load of manure at efl hq There’s enough poo there already Gritstone Ram and Kathcairns 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24Charlie Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 So we are now accepting-12 and -9. That seems like we are taking the worst possible punishment that has been mooted so far. We assumed the case was adjourned to allow this to be brought to a conclusion and why would that not be the case? It seems sensible and we believe a settlement would be forthcoming. According to Percy for some inexplicable reason we have now moved from a position of fighting our corner to accepting certain relegation. This makes no sense at all. Does Percy even bother to check the plausibility of the guff he trots out? Rammy03, Gritstone Tup, LazloW and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JfR Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Gritstone Ram said: Wouldn’t we be worth more with less points deducted. Therefore creditors would get more if we had a lesser points deduction. I suppose it's about weighing things up. Even if the administrators could successfully defend everything to the point where the club get no deduction, how long would the process take to get to that position and how much would it cost? Would the club's resources extend to cover the legal costs of such a process plus the day-to-day running over that period? Would bidders be willing to wait past the end of the season to purchase the club? At the end of the day, it's a no-win situation. The club either suffers in the form of deducted points or suffers in the form of time and money by challenging the punishment. From the administrators' perspective, I'm sure they view the latter as a bigger issue. Reggie Greenwood, Miggins, r_wilcockson and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 32 minutes ago, jono said: Believe me … that is what the EFL want to do. They have a track record of vindictively pursuing clubs way out proportion to offences committed, especially when egged on by partisan committee members. It’s been my fear all along. I’ll swallow a pill of relegation. It will hurt, but ritual humiliation just isn’t right and I will rage about it all day long. for the life of me I cannot understand where all the decent men have gone. ( maybe there never were any and I am just naive ) This goes way beyond DCFC. There is a complete lack of nobility running through everyday life and from every political or sporting angle. Too many wrong uns out there. Soz .. it’s been a long day Well I have been saying this for some time now . Efl is corrupt … rotten to the core . how on Earth can it help the stakeholders in Derby County in our current position … the creditors , the fans , the players , all of us … and all of us innocent of any wrongdoing whatsoever… to deduct a frigging 21 points from us and pretty much guarantee relegation? it could even hasten the club into liquidation , and certainly won’t help the payout to creditors. So what purpose does it serve other than satisfying the sadistic villains at the Efl and all their cronies? jimtastic56, Kathcairns and jono 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Thing is, if we'd got just 9 points for FFP/accounting and not gone int administration, we'd have had a fighting chance. I'm quite annoyed with the previous ownership. i-Ram, Rammy03, Miggins and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Thing is, if we'd got just 9 points for FFP/accounting and not gone int administration, we'd have had a fighting chance. I'm quite annoyed with the previous ownership. Easier to sell the club in administration. Apparently. RadioactiveWaste and i-Ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Mick Harford said: Am assuming Sir David Frost led the negotiations. You may not believe this but Sir David Frost is a Derby lad. I went to school with him and he was a Derby supporter! hintonsboots and Mick Harford 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Norman said: Easier to sell the club in administration. Apparently. Well that's just fine then........................................................................grumble......rage......fume............................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Tyler Durden said: I'm not condoning the abuse on Twitter as have always found it a very vile and unpleasant experience but for some the act of getting their thoughts and emotions out in the open about Morris may be very cathartic for them. Anyone believing that they can achieve some sort of beast-level catharsis by making others as miserable as they feel is in for a nasty shock. Writing down one's reasons for feeling sad or anxious, or annotating those feelings, is a million miles away from venting one's spleen at a complete stranger via social media. On thread, as regards the additional 9 point deduction, if it's true, there ought to be some form of enquiry into how exactly this is known by a journalist before the EFL have formally laid out the specifics of the charges brought and the penalties attached to them. It stinks to the high heavens and speaks to the incredibly divisive way they have sought to undermine the club at every juncture. After two years of embargos, with all the issues such sanctions bring, we now find ourselves looking at a 21 point sanction on top and for what? For using ERV and not straight line amortisation policies! If these reports are true, then I can imagine precisely the line they have adopted in their 'negotiations; challenge either or both charges and we'll seek to expel you from the league. If this is correct then it's small wonder that the talks were 'adjourned' and even less surprising that Mel felt he had to walk away. So much for the 'integrity of the league'. No question, we've made errors of judgement, but has any club ever been faced with such a heavy price to pay for what was, compared to other clubs' transgressions, a relatively minor offence? 'We want Derby County to be sustainable' - GTFOH Kathcairns, Will Hughes Hair, Miggins and 16 others 8 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 52 minutes ago, jono said: Believe me … that is what the EFL want to do. They have a track record of vindictively pursuing clubs way out proportion to offences committed, especially when egged on by partisan committee members. It’s been my fear all along. I’ll swallow a pill of relegation. It will hurt, but ritual humiliation just isn’t right and I will rage about it all day long. for the life of me I cannot understand where all the decent men have gone. ( maybe there never were any and I am just naive ) This goes way beyond DCFC. There is a complete lack of nobility running through everyday life and from every political or sporting angle. Too many wrong uns out there. Soz .. it’s been a long day Sad...but true. The tone is set from the very top. ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hordh Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Mucker1884 said: To all those moaning and crying about us going down to League 1, just remember, some of us have suffered a hell of a lot worse. Why, at one time, we even went as low as Division 3, so thank your lucky stars, and get over yersens! ? It's the same division but you know that ? Mucker1884 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hordh Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 34 minutes ago, 24Charlie said: So we are now accepting-12 and -9. That seems like we are taking the worst possible punishment that has been mooted so far. We assumed the case was adjourned to allow this to be brought to a conclusion and why would that not be the case? It seems sensible and we believe a settlement would be forthcoming. According to Percy for some inexplicable reason we have now moved from a position of fighting our corner to accepting certain relegation. This makes no sense at all. Does Percy even bother to check the plausibility of the guff he trots out? They did far worse to Luton remember. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 If this is true, and we do get a 21 point deduction, I seriously hope someone at Derby County FC compiles a very strongly worded presser confirming our disappointment with the EFL's decision, and our overall regret of the outcome. That'll learn 'em! ossieram and ariotofmyown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hordh said: They did far worse to Luton remember. That doesn't make it right. And who knows what the consequences of this are? Your penalty for being in a financial mess (at least part of which is not of your making) is a points deduction , which will bring certain relegation.. and more financial woe, just so you get to know what a real financial mess looks like. Yeah, that seems fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 40 minutes ago, 24Charlie said: So we are now accepting-12 and -9. That seems like we are taking the worst possible punishment that has been mooted so far. We assumed the case was adjourned to allow this to be brought to a conclusion and why would that not be the case? It seems sensible and we believe a settlement would be forthcoming. According to Percy for some inexplicable reason we have now moved from a position of fighting our corner to accepting certain relegation. This makes no sense at all. Does Percy even bother to check the plausibility of the guff he trots out? It doesn't make sense does it. All this time 'negotiating' with the EFL and fighting our corner just to accept the worst possible punishment we could have got anyway. The trouble is, has Percy ever got anything wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihangel Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Do we think Mr P on OTIB is about to squirt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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