Embargo.

[Dean (hick) Saunders]

Presumably it is probably got a bit more complex with Reading also failing P&S* so the points punishment has to make sense in both clubs (probably also Brum and S.Wed as well due to their past penalties).

*Assuming here that we have actually failed FFP. Still about as clear as a pint of Scroggins Best Mild.

[Bald Eagle's Barmy Army]

A 9 point deduction is the only way Forest will have a team below them. 

If we can win on Saturday, a 9 point deduction isn't too bad. If ever the supporters were needed at home games, now is the time. 

[ollycutts1982]

Talksport/Talksh*te have just reported on their news bulletin that we’ve been handed an immediate 9 point penalty. Probs just jumping on the bandwagon. 

[Van der MoodHoover]

6 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Hurrah! We can all join in! ? 

Yep. And regulation 85 basically sets out what efl management can do without reference. 

So the board of Gibson's should not be anywhere near the process. 

[Jimbo Ram]

1 minute ago, ollycutts1982 said:

Talksport/Talksh*te have just reported on their news bulletin that we’ve been handed an immediate 9 point penalty. Probs just jumping on the bandwagon. 

Yea, the Mail told them by all accounts ?

[Sparkle]

I wish that MM would actually ride this out and continue to fund the club, pay outstanding bills, challenge the EFL if they charge us again if we haven’t done anything wrong legally, maintain the low cost base but also fund extras needed 

we wouldn’t be embargoed if that was the case, which would enable us to improve the squad sensibly 

In turn we would again be a decent sellable club for hopefully a decent new owner because we currently have no idea who wants to buy us currently and what that would mean in the future.

[Bald Eagle's Barmy Army]

Too many reporting on this now - something must be happening and will be announced soon. 

[Sparkle]

22 minutes ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said:

Presumably it is probably got a bit more complex with Reading also failing P&S* so the points punishment has to make sense in both clubs (probably also Brum and S.Wed as well due to their past penalties).

*Assuming here that we have actually failed FFP. Still about as clear as a pint of Scroggins Best Mild.

None of the decisions made by the EFL have made sense to supporters of other clubs - usually because the full details are never released. - basically you should only ever be penalised if the written rules are broken and the punishments are fully known beforehand and are non negotiable- penalising clubs over grey areas is simply not right it’s vindictive and open to Abuse by a hidden agenda.

[Dean (hick) Saunders]

DET (shortly after discussing Daily Fail article).

[Foreveram]

Both sky and radio Derby have just said a deal is close, within 48 hours ?

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

A 9 point deduction is game over for the season. We might have scraped it without, but 9 points kills us off. 

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

The business plan bit probably worries me more than a points deduction. If we end up in a position where the EFL can force us to sell players any chance we have of strengthening in Jan to try and stay up are gone. Low ball offers will come in and we could be forced to accept them.

It wont just relegate us, it'll kill the club.

[jono]

This talk of 9 is softening us up for 6 so the Efl will look nice. Then we’ll agree 3 after an appeal. We will win on Saturday and all will be hunky dory. Elon Musk will then buy the club and offer Steve Gibson a one way ticketto Mars. 

 

[Eatonram]

25 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

None of the decisions made by the EFL have made sense to supporters of other clubs - usually because the full details are never released. - basically you should only ever be penalised if the written rules are broken and the punishments are fully known beforehand and are non negotiable- penalising clubs over grey areas is simply not right it’s vindictive and open to Abuse by a hidden agenda.

100%. Ive even seen this said on Forest's board, basically that the EFL put themselves in a position to make it up as they go along.

[MaltRam]

I think we're a good striker away from a mid table side. 9 points might not kill us if we were allowed to sign one. Especially if another club or two cop a deduction.

That said, the EFL is one poisonous and incompetent (or corrupt?) organisation.

Edited September 16, 2021 by Needlesh

[Sparkle]

4 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

The business plan bit probably worries me more than a points deduction. If we end up in a position where the EFL can force us to sell players any chance we have of strengthening in Jan to try and stay up are gone. Low ball offers will come in and we could be forced to accept them.

It wont just relegate us, it'll kill the club.

Yep and you might as well shut down the academy as it becomes irrelevant - since Rowett left it was obvious costs were being massively reduced - we had and have a business plan at the lower end and being told to sell players probably to the likes of Nottingham forest ( probably the Buchanan bid) will be the norm ( no surprise that a Nottingham forest man is on the EFL board is it) 

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

7 minutes ago, Needlesh said:

I think we're a good striker away from a mid table side. 9 points might not kill us if we were allowed to sign one. Especially if another club or two cop a deduction.

That said, the EFL is one poisonous and incompetent (or corrupt?) organisation.

A good striker wont want to join a club that is sinking faster than the Titanic and Mel wont spend the money on one because he will be looking for the fastest possible exit once this is all 'resolved'.

This is the business end of the downward spiral.

The funny thing is, from what I can tell the EFL still haven't proven their case for a 9 point deduction, at least not based on anything that has been publicly released. The entire process is an absolute piss take.

Edited September 16, 2021 by JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta

[Sparkle]

4 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

A good striker wont want to join a club that is sinking faster than the Titanic and Mel wont spend the money on one because he will be looking for the fastest possible exit once this is all 'resolved'.

This is the business end of the downward spiral.

The funny thing is, from what I can tell the EFL still haven't proven their case for a 9 point deduction, at least not based on anything that has been publicly released. The entire process is an absolute piss take.

Ordinarily you might be correct about getting a good forward but when good professionals like Davies and Jagielka are prepared to play for low money for a manager they seem to respect with lads trying their hardest is a very good advert - there will be decent players who can help us willing to come in because some players play for the team, the club, the supporters, the atmosphere at games and don’t need that much money in their bank accounts. One example might be someone like Andy Carroll who could give us the last 15 mins in a game to help win us a decent amount of points.

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

If the reports are accurate I see one of two reasons why the club have caved in;

1. They just want to get some form of resolution in place so it can be appealed, and the club think that we have sufficient grounds to do so.

2. The situation is far worse than any of the fans have been led to believe and the club are bang to rights, in which case everything we have been told by people from the club over the last 4/5 years is total nonsense. 

[brady1993]

9 points or more, quite likely sinks us. It would mean needing around 56 points, which perhaps controversially I think all things being even we are potentially capable of. The issue is it will be a big lead weight around our neck affecting moral and the ability to bring anyone in.

6 points would be tough and a big effort to overcome. 

3 points we can likely stomach and still survive especially if it means we are free to operate in the transfer window (might end up being better for us than an embargo all season).