Time to walk away Wayne

[Bris Vegas]

7 hours ago, VulcanRam said:

Genuinely interested what makes you say this? He was out of work for nine months before Derby took him, as far as I'm aware he wasn't presented with a better job while he was here that he turned down or had a string of suitors at his door, and a year or so later he's still out of work. He got a great deal out of Derby, got given the project he wanted regards youth and was well paid. I'm interested to know what it was that means he put Derby first before personal ambition? 

Phillip Cocu is the only manager during Mel Morris's reign that actually followed the club vision. You know, playing the youth, improving the youth and looking to add value to the team.

The likes of Lampard, Rowett and even McClaren had no interest in doing so. They wanted promotion first and foremost at Derby to enhance their own reputation, and they were willing to leave a trainwreck behind to then move on to better pastures.

What Rowett did in particular was unforgivable. He sold Hughes and signed Davies, Huddlestone, Ledley, Jerome etc. He was responsible for a 20% hike on our wage bill to £40 million+. He did all that to have one shot at promotion, and the playoff finish enhanced his reputation, then he ditched us the moment a better opportunity came along.

Phillip Cocu, on the other hand, was here for the long haul. He was willing to sacrifice his own reputation (Forest away in the cup) to play the youth players as that benefited the club. He publically backed Tom Lawrence after the crash, and played him to an extent that he retained his value despite many wanting TL sacked. To the benefit of the club. He wanted to provide a pathway for the younger players to either break in to the first team, or be sold for a profit, to the benefit of the club.

He was undermined following Wayne Rooney's arrival. He was dealt with a ridiculous set of circumstances including the Keogh fiasco, Krystian Bielik's injury and Chris Martin leaving. We failed to sign a striker replacement, and saw our better players leave. And after all that, he reduced his compensation fee after his sacking, to the benefit of the club... 

Most in his position would have told Mel to do one.

Edited September 15, 2021 by Bris Vegas

[RoyMac5]

3 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

Phillip Cocu is the only manager during Mel Morris's reign that actually followed the club vision. You know, playing the youth, improving the youth and looking to add value to the team.

The likes of Lampard, Rowett and even McClaren had no interest in doing so. They wanted promotion first and foremost at Derby to enhance their own reputation, and they were willing to leave a trainwreck behind to then move on to better pastures.

What Rowett did in particular was unforgivable. He sold Hughes and signed Davies, Huddlestone, Ledley, Jerome etc. He was responsible for a 20% hike on our wage bill to £40 million+. He did all that to have one shot at promotion, and the playoff finish enhanced his reputation, then he ditched us the moment a better opportunity came along.

Phillip Cocu, on the other hand, was here for the long haul. He was willing to sacrifice his own reputation (Forest away in the cup) to play the youth players as that benefited the club. He publically backed Tom Lawrence after the crash, and played him to an extent that he retained his value despite many wanting TL sacked. To the benefit of the club. He wanted to provide a pathway for the younger players to either break in to the first team, or be sold for a profit, to the benefit of the club.

He was undermined following Wayne Rooney's arrival. He was dealt with a ridiculous set of circumstances including the Keogh fiasco, Krystian Bielik's injury and Chris Martin leaving. We failed to sign a striker replacement, and saw our better players leave. And after all that, he reduced his compensation fee after his sacking, to the benefit of the club... 

Most in his position would have told Mel to do one.

All a bit one-eyed.

[Foreveram]

9 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

Phillip Cocu is the only manager during Mel Morris's reign that actually followed the club vision. You know, playing the youth, improving the youth and looking to add value to the team.

The likes of Lampard, Rowett and even McClaren had no interest in doing so. They wanted promotion first and foremost at Derby to enhance their own reputation, and they were willing to leave a trainwreck behind to then move on to better pastures.

What Rowett did in particular was unforgivable. He sold Hughes and signed Davies, Huddlestone, Ledley, Jerome etc. He was responsible for a 20% hike on our wage bill to £40 million+. He did all that to have one shot at promotion, and the playoff finish enhanced his reputation, then he ditched us the moment a better opportunity came along.

Phillip Cocu, on the other hand, was here for the long haul. He was willing to sacrifice his own reputation (Forest away in the cup) to play the youth players as that benefited the club. He publically backed Tom Lawrence after the crash, and played him to an extent that he retained his value despite many wanting TL sacked. To the benefit of the club. He wanted to provide a pathway for the younger players to either break in to the first team, or be sold for a profit, to the benefit of the club.

He was undermined following Wayne Rooney's arrival. He was dealt with a ridiculous set of circumstances including the Keogh fiasco, Krystian Bielik's injury and Chris Martin leaving. We failed to sign a striker replacement, and saw our better players leave. And after all that, he reduced his compensation fee after his sacking, to the benefit of the club... 

Most in his position would have told Mel to do one.

All very commendable but the football was awful to watch and we weren’t winning 

[Jimbo Ram]

51 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

All very commendable but the football was awful to watch and we weren’t winning 

Sounds like now.....

[angieram]

1 minute ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Sounds like now.....

I think we're playing some very attractive football at times this season, just lacking end product. 

Admittedly Tuesday was different,  but that was done on purpose to get us a very valuable point.

[Foreveram]

16 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Sounds like now.....

Serious question, have you actually been to any games live this season because if you have I think you would know the difference 

[Jimbo Ram]

17 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

Serious question, have you actually been to any games live this season because if you have I think you would know the difference 

Yes, been to two games and seen 3 on tv. We have won 1 game in 7 and scored 4 goals……you tell me….

[RoyMac5]

20 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

Serious question, have you actually been to any games live this season because if you have I think you would know the difference 

Some fans don't like to move on, don't tell them it's not Longson dealing with the EFL! ? ?

[Jimbo Ram]

Just now, RoyMac5 said:

Some fans don't like to move on, don't tell them it's not Longson dealing with the EFL! ? ?

Yea, you always get behind the Manager eh Macca ?

[1967RAMS]

Hughton walking away from Forest, although he didn’t have a choice in the matter

[Foreveram]

8 minutes ago, 1967RAMS said:

Hughton walking away from Forest, although he didn’t have a choice in the matter

To be fair he’s probably sprinting 

[RoyMac5]

14 minutes ago, 1967RAMS said:

Hughton walking away from Forest, although he didn’t have a choice in the matter

Some Derby fans wanted him didn't they? ?

[Jimbo Ram]

38 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Some Derby fans wanted him didn't they? ?

His record is still better than your celebrity crush Macca ?

[tomsdubs]

19 hours ago, atherstoneram said:

Ex Man Utd players don't have a good track record either when they have a go at becoming coaches/managers.

Lets see.

Bruce - Noted promotion specialist and considered a good man for a budget side. Had a decent career.

Giggs -  Did OK with Wales to be fair despite his personal qualities.

Hughes - Took Blackburn in to European football, had a reasonable management career with some big jobs.

Blanc - Won 8 trophies with PSG.

Keane - Does have a promotion to his name but in the end very average manager.

Robson - Oversaw the greatest escape in Prem history, other than that very average manager.

Strachan - Won 6 trophies in Scotland and wasn't too bad in the Prem.

 

Obviously a number of ex-players that weren't great but it seems a reasonable balance of success to me. Shall we list the Dutch managers or should we just save some time?

[Bris Vegas]

5 hours ago, Foreveram said:

All very commendable but the football was awful to watch and we weren’t winning 

We finished 10th, so we were winning at times. And the football was what can be expected from largely average Championship players.

[DCFC Kicks]

15 minutes ago, tomsdubs said:

Lets see.

Bruce - Noted promotion specialist and considered a good man for a budget side. Had a decent career.

Giggs -  Did OK with Wales to be fair despite his personal qualities.

Hughes - Took Blackburn in to European football, had a reasonable management career with some big jobs.

Blanc - Won 8 trophies with PSG.

Keane - Does have a promotion to his name but in the end very average manager.

Robson - Oversaw the greatest escape in Prem history, other than that very average manager.

Strachan - Won 6 trophies in Scotland and wasn't too bad in the Prem.

 

Obviously a number of ex-players that weren't great but it seems a reasonable balance of success to me. Shall we list the Dutch managers or should we just save some time?

You forgot 

Scholes - Oldham

G. Neville - Valencia

Ince - Blackpool / Blackburn

Phelan - Hull

Stam - Reading

Sheringham - Stevenage 

[Tyler Durden]

4 hours ago, Foreveram said:

Serious question, have you actually been to any games live this season because if you have I think you would know the difference 

I thought it always helped the entertainment value going to games alive

[MuespachRam]

11 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said:

You forgot 

Scholes - Oldham

G. Neville - Valencia

Ince - Blackpool / Blackburn

Phelan - Hull

Stam - Reading

Sheringham - Stevenage 

But he didn’t forget…did you read the whole post.? 

[atherstoneram]

6 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said:

You forgot 

Scholes - Oldham lasted 31 days.

G. Neville - Valencia Sacked after 4 months

Ince - Blackpool / Blackburn Blackpool sacked within a year. Blackburn sacked after 177 days

Phelan - Hull Sacked in less than 3 months in charge

Stam - Reading Resigned after 8 months in charge with the club 20th.

Sheringham - Stevenage Sacked after 8 months

 

[Tyler Durden]

15 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

Phillip Cocu is the only manager during Mel Morris's reign that actually followed the club vision. You know, playing the youth, improving the youth and looking to add value to the team.

The likes of Lampard, Rowett and even McClaren had no interest in doing so. They wanted promotion first and foremost at Derby to enhance their own reputation, and they were willing to leave a trainwreck behind to then move on to better pastures.

What Rowett did in particular was unforgivable. He sold Hughes and signed Davies, Huddlestone, Ledley, Jerome etc. He was responsible for a 20% hike on our wage bill to £40 million+. He did all that to have one shot at promotion, and the playoff finish enhanced his reputation, then he ditched us the moment a better opportunity came along.

Phillip Cocu, on the other hand, was here for the long haul. He was willing to sacrifice his own reputation (Forest away in the cup) to play the youth players as that benefited the club. He publically backed Tom Lawrence after the crash, and played him to an extent that he retained his value despite many wanting TL sacked. To the benefit of the club. He wanted to provide a pathway for the younger players to either break in to the first team, or be sold for a profit, to the benefit of the club.

He was undermined following Wayne Rooney's arrival. He was dealt with a ridiculous set of circumstances including the Keogh fiasco, Krystian Bielik's injury and Chris Martin leaving. We failed to sign a striker replacement, and saw our better players leave. And after all that, he reduced his compensation fee after his sacking, to the benefit of the club... 

Most in his position would have told Mel to do one.

He also had a genuine streak of integrity missing in today's game.

Oh and a great beard you also forgot. 

As hagiographies go, this one is brilliant.