Jimbo Ram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, ramit said: Because of this rude awakening i ask myself how can i be a better supporter. We fans are a group, this group has a collective responsibility to have our priorities in order, that places the long term well being of the club at the top. Like i wrote earlier, we are also responsible for the trust we show to our leaders. If the leaders we trust fail, it's also on us. But we didn’t have a choice in terms of who we trust to run the club, we did not elect them did we… San Fran Van Rams, Remy the hare and S8TY 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 8 hours ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: What difference did the fans make though???? It's clear that any aspect of input from the fans on any area of the club's running has no bearing whatsoever on what the club does. If we make responsible requests and demand transparency and then not get it, then yes, the blame lies mostly with the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alty_Ram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Er nope, never demanded any of that. Of course I have always been happy to be involved in debate about where the team's weaknesses are and players who might improve us but to say that 'the fans' have insisted on promotion at all costs is just utter nonsense I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 8 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said: But we didn’t have a choice in terms of who we trust to run the club, we did not elect them did we… i would much prefer clubs be at least in part owned by the fans and it's true we did not have a say, but we can choose which owner actions we support and which not. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, ramit said: i would much prefer clubs be at least in part owned by the fans and it's true we did not have a say, but we can choose which owner actions we support and which not. How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 8 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said: How? When? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, Jayram said: How old are you - you sound like a petulant 13 year old. The ultimate blame lies with a man who took over ownership of a debt free football club full of talented players and coaching staff and proceeded to hire and fire managers at will, splash out ludicrous amounts of cash on bang average players based on advice from a recruitment team that included his stepson and go for ‘Hollywood’ managerial appointments instead of someone who had solid experience of managing at this level. As for Mel running out of money believe me he’ll be ok - the £300 million plus still in his bank account should help keep the wolves from the door. On the other hand our football club is up to its eyeballs in debt because of him. I along with thousands of others have been putting my hand in my pocket for the best part of 40 years supporting this football club while trying to bring up a family and pay a mortgage. If I had Mel’s money I’d have spent it a damn sight more sensibly than he has so I’m not taking a lecture from the likes of you about it. The state Mel Morris has left this football club in is a disgrace. Not one single Derby County fan owes him anything other our contempt for the way he has wrecked our club. We weren't debt free, we had a £15m mortgage, which Mel paid off. Replaced it with a secured loan for a similar amount on the stadium in due course. I pretty much agree with the rest of your gist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, ramit said: When? How can we choose which owner actions we support or not? If I disagree with something what can I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 8 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said: How can we choose which owner actions we support or not? If I disagree with something what can I do? The response i was hoping for was Where? followed by Why? from me, a Who? from you and a What? from me. Jimbo Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said: That’s like you blaming your five year old daughter for needing a filling after you gave her ice cream for years. The responsibility is with recruitment team for not buying better players. (Or keeping powder dry if only Butterfields and Blackmans, Anyas available. (Johnson was actually decent and shouldn’t be Tarred with same brush). Just for clarity for any forum members with young children. Supervised toothbrushing twice a day for 3 minutes, with fluoride toothpaste is much more effective in preventing dental caries, than banning ice cream.... Dean (hick) Saunders and ariotofmyown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) I myself remember sharing a rather delicious bottle of Beaujolais with Mel as I gave the green light to spending £3 million on Nick Blackman. Indeed, I am to blame. Edited July 25, 2021 by Jourdan Deej, IslandExile, i-Ram and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minesahartington Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 44 minutes ago, Pearl Ram said: I could be wrong but I think Charlotte’s a place and not a name. ? Pearl Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Jourdan said: I myself remember sharing a rather delicious bottle of Beaujolais with Mel as I gave to the green light to spending £3 million on Nick Blackman. Indeed, I am to blame. If only you's have stuck to merlot, things could've been so different. Pearl Ram and Jourdan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jourdan said: I myself remember sharing a rather delicious bottle of Beaujolais with Mel as I gave to the green light to spending £3 million on Nick Blackman. Indeed, I am to blame. I remember over cigars that I was the one who demanded we sign Anya for a princely sum as it would guarantee promotion Jourdan, ariotofmyown and RadioactiveWaste 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Steve McClaren for not playing Bryson at Wembley jimtastic56 and RadioactiveWaste 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Charlotte (him/they/her/she/place) has had one here.. Always can count on someone having an absolute mare.. minesahartington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 35 minutes ago, ramit said: If we make responsible requests and demand transparency and then not get it, then yes, the blame lies mostly with the owner. Surely even if we, as fans with no detailed knowledge of the clubs financial position, make irresponsible requests the blame still sits with the owner/board. It is their responsibility to ignore/turn down any such irresponsible requests (ideally with an explanation). San Fran Van Rams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said: I remember over cigars that I was the one who demanded we sign Anya for a princely sum as it would guarantee promotion You must live with that regret every day. Leeds Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 46 minutes ago, Jayram said: I along with thousands of others have been putting my hand in my pocket for the best part of 40 years supporting this football club while trying to bring up a family and pay a mortgage. If I had Mel’s money I’d have spent it a damn sight more sensibly than he has so I’m not taking a lecture from the likes of you about it. Sanctimonious claptrap. You spent money paying for a ticket to watch the team you chose support and that's the extent of it. Wolfie20 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jourdan said: You must live with that regret every day. It has haunted me for years, every time I smoke a cigar I think about it Jourdan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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