superzak Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 There can only be 2 reasons why as a professional footballer you wouldnt push yourself to get in the 18...your injured...you want a transfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 minute ago, superzak said: There can only be 2 reasons why as a professional footballer you wouldnt push yourself to get in the 18...your injured...you want a transfer That would have been a fair shout. There were rumblings that Huddersfield wanted him in Jan, if Jack had made it clear he wanted to leave for a bigger money move that would have done him no favours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irobinson Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: That would have been a fair shout. There were rumblings that Huddersfield wanted him in Jan, if Jack had made it clear he wanted to leave for a bigger money move that would have done him no favours. unproven at Championship level - if he doesn't watch it - hell be going the other way back to London Road - surprised. - thought he was the one who had the work hard "training" ethic. - to get to the top - like Vardy et al...hope he gets back though - sort your life out - you are a Pro footballer!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I suspect Marriott's confidence has dipped because he's not scored for quite a while (combination of a hangover from his illness and the inability of the team to create any half-decent chances) - if that is showing in his approach to training then maybe a couple of games out of the squad will be good for him - the one thing that Frank demands is 100% commitment in games and training - which is why Bennett gets so many opportunities. Could be that it's also partly Frank's inexperience as a manger that means he'll select players such as Nuge (never seen a striker who looks so unlikely to score) ahead of Marriott (most natural finisher we've had since Saunders) because of their attitude - 20+ years of working with top professionals may mean that he's not yet sussed out that (at our level) you occassionally have to comprimise and go with what is best for the team rather than stick to your principles..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier ram Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 11 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Why then doesn't that apply to Nugent and Bennett for example? Can't believe that Marriott couldn't have done what Waghorn did this evening. welcome back Roy , must have been hard for you sitting on your hands for the last few games , glad the boys gave a performance last night that has enabled you to come back on here and educate us all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkleyram Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 2 hours ago, superzak said: There can only be 2 reasons why as a professional footballer you wouldnt push yourself to get in the 18...your injured...you want a transfer I'm not sure those are the only reasons. For example, you might think that you're pushing yourself but the stats and the coaching staff/manager's experience tells them that you're not going as hard as you can. Frank's giving Jack a public message that he would be silly to ignore if he wants to stay - If you want to get back into the 18 and on to the pitch then I want more from you in training and I want more from you when you come on. Every session, every game, every minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSox Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 27 minutes ago, ilkleyram said: I'm not sure those are the only reasons. For example, you might think that you're pushing yourself but the stats and the coaching staff/manager's experience tells them that you're not going as hard as you can. Frank's giving Jack a public message that he would be silly to ignore if he wants to stay - If you want to get back into the 18 and on to the pitch then I want more from you in training and I want more from you when you come on. Every session, every game, every minute. Only thing is, FL doesn't want to do it to the point of cutting his nose to spike his face. This is too crucial a time for the entire club. We need to react on Sat and if it's a lesson, it's time to give him a chance to shine again. If, on the other hand, it's a match sharpness issue or something else, then it could be totally the right call to leave him out. We just don't know what's behind it, but I'm sure Frank wouldn't let this impact on our chances without good reason. Would he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Premier ram said: welcome back Roy , must have been hard for you sitting on your hands for the last few games , glad the boys gave a performance last night that has enabled you to come back on here and educate us all Well it's the first game I've seen for a while - so to stop you whingers asking if I'd actually seen how good we were I refrained from posting. Same old same old with FLs odd management choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkleyram Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, RedSox said: Only thing is, FL doesn't want to do it to the point of cutting his nose to spike his face. This is too crucial a time for the entire club. We need to react on Sat and if it's a lesson, it's time to give him a chance to shine again. If, on the other hand, it's a match sharpness issue or something else, then it could be totally the right call to leave him out. We just don't know what's behind it, but I'm sure Frank wouldn't let this impact on our chances without good reason. Would he? We kind of do know what's behind it from what Frank has said - at least we know what Frank thinks, but not what Jack's view might be. I hope we don't get to know Jack's view because that will mean that one of them isn't here any more and I think they're both worth keeping, though Frank more so. The Jack that was in form and scoring goals is the one we want back, not the ineffectual Jack that has played some minutes after his injury and has now fallen out of the 18. As it happens I think last night was a good one for Jack to miss because by not playing he enhanced his position in our eyes as fans. If he had played though, I'm not convinced he would have done any better than the three strikers that did feature (of whom Mason was the most effective). He might have taken the chance that fell to Harry Wilson better had it been him, but that's about it. But Frank obviously picks his 18 in good part on the basis of what he sees in training, as well as tactically. And Jack's being given the message that he has to train better in order to get in - whatever 'train better' might mean - and then perform better when he gets on the pitch. I've no idea how well he trains or not so I have to accept Frank's view but I do know that he hasn't been very effective when he has played recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Archied said: ...but it’s worth considering if the data shows that Bennett ,waghorn,nugent are pushing themselves in a way that jacks not matching then it’s there in black and white for the coaches Hard to believe but there's an answer to your viewpoint - the other three get in before him? Every rule can be broken, ay Frank? God knows what Kinky or McGrath's data would have shown! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcfcsr92 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Spanish said: He's played well since Cole has arrived, coincidence? Totally agree mate keep him another season with cole around and we could be talking massive money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 4 hours ago, ilkleyram said: I'm not sure those are the only reasons. For example, you might think that you're pushing yourself but the stats and the coaching staff/manager's experience tells them that you're not going as hard as you can. Frank's giving Jack a public message that he would be silly to ignore if he wants to stay - If you want to get back into the 18 and on to the pitch then I want more from you in training and I want more from you when you come on. Every session, every game, every minute. whilst i agree with everything you say what abut the aimless shambles that were out on the pitch on tuesday what will happen to them.IMO it is far more important to try harder during a match than in training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSD Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I can’t stick up for Frank with this one. At this stage of the season, to have last seasons league one top goalscorer not on the bench is ridiculous. Especially when David Nugent has scored 2 all season, how can you justify such a decision? Maybe something has kicked off in training, but don’t leave him out of the 18 and let him play golf. We’ve spent a good chunk of our budget on him and I see him being our future number 9, we can’t afford to drop someone of that importance from the squad when fighting promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJFern94 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 It is a hard choice. It has been obvious that this season, Lampard respects effort shown every day from the players. Which you cannot blame him for. As someone who has played right at the top, he knows what it takes to get there and succeed. As other people have said before if you were David Nugent and Mason Bennett, working your ass off every single day in training, and see Marriott get picked over you, not trying, you would question the manager. I do think Lampard has made a rash decision, leaving out our "best" striker for these crucial games; Tactical decision or not. Or is he thinking long term and hoping that this inspires Jack to push on and achieve even greater things? As a teacher I see a lot of my colleagues try different methods of inspiring their students in very different ways, and it all depends on what motivates the student. The same applies here, if Marriott is motivated by a need to be in the matchday team, this may end up being a very clever move by Lampard. However if Frank has misjudged Marriott and what motivates him, it could further isolate Jack and cause more issues. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, DJFern94 said: It is a hard choice. It has been obvious that this season, Lampard respects effort shown every day from the players. Which you cannot blame him for. As someone who has played right at the top, he knows what it takes to get there and succeed. As other people have said before if you were David Nugent and Mason Bennett, working your ass off every single day in training, and see Marriott get picked over you, not trying, you would question the manager. I do think Lampard has made a rash decision, leaving out our "best" striker for these crucial games; Tactical decision or not. Or is he thinking long term and hoping that this inspires Jack to push on and achieve even greater things? As a teacher I see a lot of my colleagues try different methods of inspiring their students in very different ways, and it all depends on what motivates the student. The same applies here, if Marriott is motivated by a need to be in the matchday team, this may end up being a very clever move by Lampard. However if Frank has misjudged Marriott and what motivates him, it could further isolate Jack and cause more issues. Time will tell. Anyone who thinks that Mason Bennett should be in the squad ahead of Jack Marriott has rocks in their head....and that would include Mason Bennett...even he knows.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollycutts1982 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I did wonder at the time of his appointment how FL would handle players at a level he has never experienced. His playing career (a vast amount of it) he was playing with top drawer professionals, multi trophy winning players both at club level and internationally. Players like Drogba, Rooney, Torres, Makalele, Cole, Gerrard, Ferdinand,Terry etc, the motivation in these players to achieve the level they did must be of the highest level. The motivation of players who have played at Championship level at the highest is quite different. Time will tell if it has been effective but Marriott has never struck me as the mardy type. Hopefully it will have a desired effect, we are running out of time this season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Based upon Franks reasons for leaving Marriott out of the team we should be seeing 11 changes on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCG Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, Gritters said: Based upon Franks reasons for leaving Marriott out of the team we should be seeing 11 changes on Saturday. Didn't know whether to put a laugh or clap or cry gif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, KCG said: Didn't know whether to put a laugh or clap or cry gif. Don’t you usually just go for the eye roll? ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaftesbury st Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 On 07/04/2019 at 13:50, RedSox said: According to the article in the DET, FL said it was just a tactical decision. No injury. No strop (that he is prepared to refer to). Well if that is correct then I’m afraid Lampard isn’t a very god tactician is he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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