Curtains Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Nugent is a similar type of player to Waghorn ie he can play on his own up front but Marriott for all his attributes needs to play off another striker. Frank got it right bringing Nuge on when Waggy was injured on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Lampard did an interview a month back where he indicated Marriott wasn't training as hard as he would have liked: https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/frank-lampards-message-out-favour-2742210 If Waghorn is out, we really could do with Marriott getting his head down and earning his place in the team. Nugent has done okay in the last few sub appearances he's had, but he's not scored since October and looks for all the world out-of-sorts infront of goal. No goals in his last 29 appearances doesn't fill me with confidence going into the biggest game of our season. If Marriott can't be bothered to get his head down and get himself right for the occasion, though, we really have no choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsFan10 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: Didn't he have a part to play in the second goal? His hold up play is much better than Marriotts, who really doesn't suit playing with his back to goal? Was everyone around you still looking baffled as we beat the team sitting 4th in the league 3-1 pretty comfortably, with Nugent contributing to the victory? He plays a one touch back healed pass in the lead up to the second goal. A very good bit of interplay, and he did well linking play in the second half, but that is not holding the ball up. Hence my point, that the idea he is being sent on because his hold up play is better is flawed when he wasn't holding it up. I also refute the idea that just because we won the game, he was the best choice to bring on. To answer the lat question, clearly some people are still baffled despite the win as this thread got brought back up asking why Marriott isn't playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 28 minutes ago, RamsFan10 said: He plays a one touch back healed pass in the lead up to the second goal. A very good bit of interplay, and he did well linking play in the second half, but that is not holding the ball up. Hence my point, that the idea he is being sent on because his hold up play is better is flawed when he wasn't holding it up. I also refute the idea that just because we won the game, he was the best choice to bring on. To answer the lat question, clearly some people are still baffled despite the win as this thread got brought back up asking why Marriott isn't playing. Fair enough, we see things differently, for me the worst part of Marriotts game is his first touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I firmly in the camp of trusting frank , if Marriott is not getting game time I’m sure there’s valid reason for it ,whether that’s because Marriott is not putting it in in training or he is putting it in but just not looking like he is adapting well to the role lampard wants him to play in training or when he comes on ,, with our team and the goals comming from all over the park there far more to it than just scoring for the cf it’s about how the team plays, as an observation ( which others may not agree with ) Marriott for some time appears to get easily frustrated when losing the ball and his head can drop or very often he gives silly fouls away when frustrated which takes all the pressure off opposing defenders and gives them time and an out , I think lampard rates jack but really wants him to add much more to his game and get smart to suit the way we want to pressure teams and defend from the front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Pretty sure Marriott had a stomach problem that curtailed his comeback from a leg injury a few months back. Depending on the condition/severity, it's highly possible that this set back his fitness somewhat and has subsequently proved difficult for him to come back from during a busy season. Trust in Frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Opportunity remains for both Nugent and Marriott to be heroes- relax people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 2 hours ago, RedSox said: Loving that avatar, RamNut!! The best thing to ever come out of Leeds. KEVIN JAMES HECTOR!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Boycie said: If only we had a PowerPoint presentation on how Leeds play? Just watch Ipswich beat them and copy it? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Archied said: I firmly in the camp of trusting frank , if Marriott is not getting game time I’m sure there’s valid reason for it ,whether that’s because Marriott is not putting it in in training or he is putting it in but just not looking like he is adapting well to the role lampard wants him to play in training or when he comes on ,, with our team and the goals comming from all over the park there far more to it than just scoring for the cf it’s about how the team plays, as an observation ( which others may not agree with ) Marriott for some time appears to get easily frustrated when losing the ball and his head can drop or very often he gives silly fouls away when frustrated which takes all the pressure off opposing defenders and gives them time and an out , I think lampard rates jack but really wants him to add much more to his game and get smart to suit the way we want to pressure teams and defend from the front Excellent post, Archied. I have slowly decided that Frank has a masterplan and he knows exactly what is needed from each player in every position Each player must learn to play that role he is given. He will sign players with enough potential to fulfill a role and they must learn to do it. Best example is Duane. He may be twice the player he was when he came. He is getting better all the time. A Juan Mata in the making imo. Marriott had a game when he came and must develop it to be a regular. My wild dream is that we get promoted and keep our three loanees. Where can they play and learn more? What happened to Carson, Wisdom, Thorne, Hudds, Jozefzoon? We know the shape, the style and effort required to be a regular so it is fit in or fit out. Johnson has done enough for another contract imo. Second half he was as important as Lawrence. Nobody wants a tackle from Johnson. Vital against Leeds who may try to get him sent off. The farce of getting a yellow (avoidable) for shirt off or for some of the cynical fouls is a major mismatch. Time to change rules to 3 bookings for cynical files to get a ban. They are often goal opportunities in build up but not last man but may still have stopped a goal. Out of date and exploiting rules. At least 4 or 5 from WBA and a couple from us. It is not football but often decides results, promotion or relegation in some way. COYR ?⚽ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I do find all this ' why isn't Jack playing' an exciting part of football. I love bits of politics and crap. I'm not sure about the one more goal means extra payments thing - in that case he wouldn't be in the squad at all, let alone coming on as a sub. But how much has he played since he was linked with a move to Huddersfield in January? Is that it? Did he fancy a quick move to the Prem and did he try to push it? Has he upset Frank that way? Or is he just a dud? I miss Bris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Parsnip said: I do find all this ' why isn't Jack playing' an exciting part of football. I love bits of politics and crap. I'm not sure about the one more goal means extra payments thing - in that case he wouldn't be in the squad at all, let alone coming on as a sub. But how much has he played since he was linked with a move to Huddersfield in January? Is that it? Did he fancy a quick move to the Prem and did he try to push it? Has he upset Frank that way? Or is he just a dud? I miss Bris. Huddersfield would have been a strange move wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Parsnip said: I do find all this ' why isn't Jack playing' an exciting part of football. I love bits of politics and crap. I'm not sure about the one more goal means extra payments thing - in that case he wouldn't be in the squad at all, let alone coming on as a sub. But how much has he played since he was linked with a move to Huddersfield in January? Is that it? Did he fancy a quick move to the Prem and did he try to push it? Has he upset Frank that way? Or is he just a dud? I miss Bris. Training really hard or do not a game? We are looking at a very hard working team now. Frank is not sentimental when picking players. Marriott not the only one not getting a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Just now, Jimbo Ram said: Huddersfield would have been a strange move wouldn't it? Very. Short sighted. But he was linked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsFan10 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Parsnip said: I'm not sure about the one more goal means extra payments thing - in that case he wouldn't be in the squad at all, let alone coming on as a sub. But how much has he played since he was linked with a move to Huddersfield in January? Is that it? Did he fancy a quick move to the Prem and did he try to push it? Has he upset Frank that way? Or is he just a dud? Think you answer your own question with the first one. Re: Huddersfield, surely he knew they were coming down in Jan even if there was interest (which we can't be sure there was). And having seen him play in the first half of the season i'm fairly sure he's not a dud. Personally, i think it has been massively overemphasised. He was injured towards the end of Jan if i recall properly hence Waghorn came in against Hull, played well and kept his place. Lampard said a few months ago that he needed to try harder in training, and since then has been involved on the bench so i think we should take that at face value. As for last weekend, i disagreed (and still do) with the sub, but Lampard reasoned that Nugent is taller and offered more defensively from set pieces. Personally, despite Nuge's size i think they are about as good in the air as each other but regardless, (somehow) i wasn't one of England's best every midfielders so i'll take his word on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 We are in the Play Offs. Only 18 can be in squad so about 6 cannot get a game. Bird and Bu hanan got two of sub places. Frank is too good for me. In Frank we trust. Show it day in day out in training is the required minimum. Even then there are only 18 places. Tough squad to get in at present. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Roos out of contract but playing his best taking his chance. Too smart to mention his future to Frank. He will get a contract, hopefully a Premier contract?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rampage said: We are in the Play Offs. Only 18 can be in squad so about 6 cannot get a game. Bird and Bu hanan got two of sub places. Frank is too good for me. In Frank we trust. Show it day in day out in training is the required minimum. Even then there are only 18 places. Tough squad to get in at present. ? Yep it’s the attitude that some have been calling for and lamps has managed to enforce it without having to resort to a team of just less talented grafter workhorses , if you can I still the real work ethic into talented players then you can start to go places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 On 07/05/2019 at 09:45, G STAR RAM said: Didn't he have a part to play in the second goal? His hold up play is much better than Marriotts, who really doesn't suit playing with his back to goal? Was everyone around you still looking baffled as we beat the team sitting 4th in the league 3-1 pretty comfortably, with Nugent contributing to the victory? Agree Frank had his reasons for bringing on Nuge (which he articulated after the game). But I completely disagree about Marriott's hold up play which has been consistently excellent whenever I've seen him. I've always been impressed how well he works with his back to goal and linking up the play. Both Nuge and Marriott (and hopefully Waggy too) all have a part to play in the next few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 11 hours ago, Archied said: Yep it’s the attitude that some have been calling for and lamps has managed to enforce it without having to resort to a team of just less talented grafter workhorses , if you can I still the real work ethic into talented players then you can start to go places Classic post in my opinion, Archied. Totally agree. ????? Really it is all in that post plus some very astute signings. We have a style and a work ethic and you need to fit both to get in the team. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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