ilkleyram

11 hours ago, Philmycock said:

Just keep patting his bum and wink a lot, he'll not be back for second half

Might be a she. Or they. 

On 29/07/2021 at 11:19, David said:

Very true this. It's why I no longer where shorts when I go out. My legs are a mess.

Wear. No wonder your legs are a mess.

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2 hours ago, i-Ram said:

 

But they’re wearing red. Half fans

2 hours ago, Sparkle said:

I knew it couldn’t be that smooth 

I did it all correctly received my email - I chose the print at home option - printed it off comes out perfect ( new ink cartridges ) but no the barcode/ QR code is printed instead a full black rectangle either side. Whilst I have emailed the ticket office for further instruction is their anything obvious I am missing? 

Had the same problem @Sparkle and followed @England Ram's advice - dragged the eticket from Derby's email into Word and then printed from Word - the QR code came up fine (without altering the printer settings).  Can't tell you why it worked but it did!

For those of us of a certain age Mike Hendrick was, like Bob Taylor, evidence that Derbyshire CC could produce and have picked genuine England international cricketers.

He was a fine bowler in an era that included the likes of Botham and Willis, without ever quite nailing a permanent spot in the England attack but he never let anyone down and had fantastic stats in both the one day game as well as the longer form.

He's died from cancer at the age of 72. Happy memories.

21 minutes ago, Tombo said:

How you can say "no doubt" with anything at DCFC right now is beyond me.

I have read that. I'm sure Jim has read that. Why is the situation crystal clear for every other club in the league except us?

You appear to be making an argument just to do DCFC down @Tombo

If you want to debate the wisdom of Derby not issuing STs as other clubs have done then fair enough.  They've explained their reasons and you apparently don't agree with them. What you have to do to go to a match at Pride Park is crystal clear.  As they've come to that decision against what might be their best financial interests (in the sense that they would be gaining short term income) that would give me confidence that Mel intends to continue to support the club financially - and Chris Coles confirms that.  How long that can go on and to what degree may be questions that the supporters charter group might want to ask him next week, though if I were him I wouldn't give any definite date because it then becomes a hostage to fortune to us fans and potential buyers.

But, both you and Jim Wheeler made a very different statement.  You both said (Wheeler on Radio Derby last night, you in your post above) 'As things stand, no fans will be able to actually get through a turnstile'.  That's patent nonsense.  How did thousands of people get through the turnstiles at the Man U game?

And the reason why I have 'no doubt' is because the club have operated a print at home/purchase online ticket system for many years now and it works very well.  There's no reason why it shouldn't work well again at the Huddersfield match as well as at the Real Betis game.  I also believe that the club will want all the income they can get from the Huddersfield match so they will get the information about how to buy tickets out when they're ready to do so, I would imagine fairly soon.

17 minutes ago, ilkleyram said:

If you read what @Tomboand @tinman have written and if Jim Wheeler were to do the same, then perhaps you might both be the wiser. The club have clearly said why our old STs don’t work, that they are not issuing new or replacement ones until the situation is clearer and what the system is for getting tickets for the matches.  No doubt they’ll tell us soon enough when we can order tickets for the Huddersfield match and the bar code on the tickets will allow us through the turnstiles in the normal way.

Apologies @Eatonram I meant you, not Tombo who I was replying to.

2 hours ago, Ramos said:

On the face of it, it does seem so odd that a club that needs money wouldn’t be trying to sell as many season tickets as possible. However as I mentioned on another thread, my two mates who are accountants believe it genuinely is being done so the club has a much clearer understanding game by game of our cash flow. Ie we sell 20,000 season tickets and then come October it’s lockdowns, reduced capacity or empty stadiums and then they have another whole load of admin to do and forecasting to understand what money is and isn’t available cash to the club. They did say I’m sure in the original announcement they will continue to monitor and introduce half season tickets I think pending how the situation pans out. I just think it’s a very cautious strategy and if they can still attract essentially a similar level of attendance as selling season tickets on a game by game basis then it will have paid off (obvs for example if I’d been able to buy my season ticket they would have my money for the Huddersfield and boro games which I can’t actually attend so that’s where they may lose out, although someone is going in my place, but that won’t be the case for everyone) - if stadiums do have to reduce again. Hopefully come October they will be selling second half of the season half season tickets and it will all worked out fine. 

There might also be another area of concern for the club - they may be concerned about the number of stewards they can get hold of and which they will need to meet their health and safety obligations. That could limit the seats or stands they could open or the overall number of people they can admit.  Hopefully it won’t be a problem in two weeks time but it might have been a genuine area of concern several weeks ago when they actually made the decision about season tickets. 

45 minutes ago, Tombo said:

You obviously are unable to listen. The point is that they have told 20/21 ST holders that they will get their free ST for this year, and that their current cards will not work. Yet there is no sign of a new ST card being sent out yet, a week and a half away from the game.

As things stand, no fans will be able to actually get through a turnstile

If you read what @Tomboand @tinman have written and if Jim Wheeler were to do the same, then perhaps you might both be the wiser. The club have clearly said why our old STs don’t work, that they are not issuing new or replacement ones until the situation is clearer and what the system is for getting tickets for the matches.  No doubt they’ll tell us soon enough when we can order tickets for the Huddersfield match and the bar code on the tickets will allow us through the turnstiles in the normal way.

1 hour ago, TexasRam said:

Yes listened to it, not much more than what CC tweeted. They had a bloke from Rams Trust (Jim I think) he is worried that the club haven’t answered the question wether they have the funds to operate for a whole year. He was also very vocal (and quite rightly so) about no ticket availability yet for the start of the season as it’s less than 2 weeks away. The other guy on was from a DCFC blog/podcast he spoke positively about the news but was also worried about no answers on sustainability etc. 
So all in all nothing much more than we already knew with a lot of questions still to be answered that might or might not get answered  at the fans forum next week. 

Jim Wheeler from the Rams Trust who was singularly underwhelming and is obviously unable to read.  His point was that, as a season ticket holder from last year (20/21) he didn't know from the club how or whether he would be able to get tickets to go to matches because the club hadn't told him.

You can argue whether it is the correct decision or not but you only have to read the club's statement to understand how you can get a ticket for the matches and which order they are going to be sold in.  The fact it is being done online and tickets printed at home means that they can concertina the process into a much shorter timescale

33 minutes ago, StarterForTen said:

Only problem with that is it would bring in an additional wage burden, and the whole point of an EFL embargo on signings is to control costs. 

The one thing we do not have, at the moment, is a wage burden. Not only do we have very few senior players but most of our largest earners have left. We have an income burden, but then so does every other club in all 4 leagues.

This is the best opportunity we’ve had for several years to control our wages for the foreseeable future even if we take on 4/5 senior players.  

8 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said:

They’ve sold mobile tickets previously. I’ve used them before with no issues for a few years. 
 

Edit: as far back as 2017. So the turnstiles are capable. https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2017/04/rams-trialling-mobile-tickets-at-pride-park-stadium

Maybe they’ll revisit the trial. I’m not sure that they actually rolled it out it after the trial had taken place - the requirement to print the tickets on A4 has been pretty standard 

On 21/07/2021 at 14:51, VulcanRam said:

Put simply, yes to all! Every single supporter has to order and print off their ticket (or have it on a mobile I presume). It's just that 20/21 don't pay anything whereas 19/20 and everyone else when it comes to general sale does. As I understand there will be three levels of ticket price depending on the nature of the fixture, as is usual. So games against Forest, West Brom, that sort, will be more expensive.

The club has said you can't use the old ST card as the chip has expired. And it will cost more to print, calibrate and administer more cards than it will to get people to do the hard work themselves. 

I don’t think you can have your ticket on a mobile and use it to get in. You have to print it and in A4 - the instructions on that have always been explicit to date. I would guess that the technology on our ‘gates’ isn’t modern enough to read mobile screens given how long ago they were put in.

Not even close.  Tim Ward's reign when for year after year we showed no signs of progress; sacking Sir Brian after years of progression; the whole post Dave MacKay period and Docherty when average player after average player was sold to us as a world beater replacing genuine world beaters and a succession of owners with no money; 30 minutes from extinction and then saved by Maxwell - saved by a crook who then steadily lost interest and stole the income from our two best players; the long slide into the 3rd division; Brian not coming back and Peter not the manager that Brian was, never mind their falling out; the 3 amigo period; the promise followed by the depression of Lionel's ownership and that's before we get to the 11 point season and three managers in a year and losing at bloody Wembley time after bloody time after bloody time.

Watch the Big Match revisited - that depresses me more but in an addictive way.  Football was fun then, more equal - the pitches (not only the BBG) were awful, the players not as fit, the grounds not as well appointed, the referees not as good (God help us), the FA was in charge (God help us), managers ran clubs with (allegedly) brown envelopes and cash, players were slaves and fans often violent, the BBC actually did proper sport and did it well without 5Live and Robbie and Chris, newspapers covered all clubs not just 6, European cup a knock out competition against Champion sides only heard of not seen before. A lack of familiarity bred interest and passion. Above all there was no social media, no P and S, no EFL, no PL, no Sky/BT, no pleasing fans thousands of miles away. Just better.

What football has become in my lifetime is far, far more depressing than the temporary problems of my beloved club

5 hours ago, David said:

Can we not mention the name of the player until it has been confirmed, that’s all I ask, but yeah it’s a huge story that can’t be ignored.

And perhaps we can also follow the principle of innocent until proven guilty rather than guilty in the court of twitter

On 18/07/2021 at 20:47, SuperDerbySuperRams said:

I have a friend who used to be neighbours with Morrison. Let’s just say he wasn’t the best neighbour… 

Did Ravel complain about him to their local council?

Random thought, non-Covid related.  One of the things I like about pre-season friendlies is the refereeing.  They don't get fooled so often by the 'he touched me so I'm flinging myself to the ground' routines or get the yellow card out at the drop of a hat.  I rather like the derisory waving of the hands from the refs telling the nancies to get up and carry on.

I suppose it's wishful thinking to hope that will carry on into the season proper, at all levels. 

2 hours ago, rammieib said:

The other thing is this is suggesting the 8000 ST’s want to go and as someone said, what if these ST holders don’t want to go because of Covid. My dad doesn’t want to go tomorrow because of Covid.

The bit that’s puzzling me - as of Monday, we don’t have any restrictions, and everyone (including me) is treating it like there will still be restrictions. There isn’t any on Monday...

But individual organisations can still make their own restrictions - LNER are asking people to wear masks whilst allowing strangers to sit next to each other, ditto London Transport and shops near me. DCFC are waiting for some guidance from the EFL I would guess and that may be to restrict attendances after Monday; they might restrict away fans to reduce travelling.  It is not going to be back to where we were on Monday and some will support it, some will complain about too much freedom and some will complain about too little freedom. Twas ever thus.

12 minutes ago, B4ev6is said:

All I can suggest mate is to email Derby county and explain what has happened so if season ticket holder from last season be able to help you.

Thanks B4

We've got 3 and a half weeks until the season kicks off, just over 7 weeks until the transfer window closes until January - so plenty of time yet - and we're currently in a position where we can't readily sign players unless they are free and willing to come for what in football terms is a relatively low wage, whatever our owner might be prepared or want to do financially.  

And we are in the part of the season - every season - where every single club has players on trial so that the coaching staff can look at them to see if they are 'better than what we have', add something to the squad and team and improve our chances for the season.  Our greatest ever manager had a funny habit of finding players that other clubs didn't want and who didn't fit and turning them into teams that ruled the football world, because he looked at what they could do rather than at what they couldn't.  He also didn't hesitate to get rid if they didn't fit in.

Ravel Morrison is a good age, footballing wise, apparently hasn't been in any trouble since his late teens (join a long queue for that one) and has persuaded several good managers over the years that he's worth a shot at a high level.  Maybe he'll sign for us, maybe he won't - that's the whole point of pre-season - but he's sure worth looking at. 

I took young Ilkley for the first time when he was about that age - he still goes over 20 years later - but I think it depends on the child.

Some things to think about -

Noise - people shouting (or even lots of people in masks) might be scary.  I've seen kids with noise cancelling headphones. Young Ilkley cried when we scored and all the fans shouted (might not be a problem on Sunday!)

Weather - a warm day is better than rain/cold

Distractions - sweets/entertainment/games on a phone etc should the entertainment on offer get too boring (though be prepared to leave early). Unless I've read it wrong there is going to be some kind of controlled exit arrangement.  Not sure how it will work and whether early leaving is OK.  I presume the loos etc will have to be open but access to them might be controlled.

Travel - I picked an away match close to our (then) home so that it wasn't too long a day and I knew the walk to the ground wasn't a long one.

Be prepared for endless questions - do we play in white shirts etc

Enjoy it - there's nothing to beat taking a youngster to his first football match, son or grandson (or daughter/granddaughter, because I took his sisters when they were a bit older too).  Best feeling in the world and the cause of many great memories that I wouldn't have otherwise have had.  Take at least one photo of you both together - you think you'll always remember it and the match and the score, but you won't.

Took me all of 2 minutes and one of those was spent with me trying to buy one ticket of a pair of seats before I realised I was being an covidiot.

The really worrying thing was that I have now moved from adult to senior so not only is my ticket cheaper but I'm now a year closer to not being able to go at all; or I'm no longer deemed to be an adult.  Not sure what to make of that.

1 hour ago, Coconut said:

About as cryptic as

4 down: "A popular household pet, man's best friend"

3 letters, middle letter o.

God?

25 minutes ago, Spanish said:

Have you not read the live EFL website that @RoyMac5quoted?

Well I’ve gone back a few pages and can’t see where @Roymac mentions a live EFL page but if it’s the same one that @Ghost of Clough has just quoted above I think it reinforces the point I was making which is that we have been, and are, under embargoes for various reasons but that we don’t have enough information to know how serious that is (other than being under embargo at all is limiting our potential transfer activity and is,therefore, serious).

The detail available - how much we owe HMRC, for example, for how long and whether the debt is increasing or decreasing or staying the same, whether it’s covid related or not, is not being published.  Ditto the other reasons for embargo.  We know that one of the reasons for embargo is the non-publication of accounts but we don't know all the reasons why we have not done so - was it covid related, was it inefficiency on our part, was it because the disciplinary case made producing the accounts impossible (because we didn’t know which amortisation system to use and didn’t want to exacerbate the situation or duplicate the work if we had to resubmit the accounts)? 
 

The only thing we know with certainty is that we are in embargo for a number of different reasons. What we don’t know is how serious (or not) those reasons may be.

52 minutes ago, Spanish said:

These are EFL comments and I’m not sure why they would quote them today if they had been paid.  I don’t think these are past indiscretions that we are to be punished for even though they no longer exist.  Many clubs apparently filed their accounts late but they are not under embargo.

Para 89, page 44 of the latest DC report - quoting the EFL's reasons for (some of) our embargoes.  But neither the EFL nor the DC give any context to the indiscretions that led to the embargoes - no dates, no quantum, no information. So it’s impossible to know for sure whether it is still a problem, whether it is (or was) a relatively large (or small) problem and therefore anyone’s guess as to whether it’s something to worry about. Or not.