Paul Warne

[McArthur Park]

2 hours ago, Birdyabroad said:

Are there ANY ‘happy clappers’ left in the building, is anyone out there…

Yep, count me in! 😁

[Inverurie Ram]

30 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

I'm not going to read any very long post from inverurie that doesn't have an avant-garde music video link.......

👍

Sing along…..especially for you. 🫵

……..hopefully you and your hoover are  now refreshed after that, I’ll keep this short…

Up Paul Warne’s Derby County 🐏

[Van der MoodHoover]

3 minutes ago, Inverurie Ram said:

Sing along…..especially for you. 🫵

……..hopefully you and your hoover are  now refreshed after that, I’ll keep this short…

Up Paul Warne’s Derby County 🐏

Brilliant. I live near Southampton dontcha know. 

So the sights and sounds of tuneful seamen are never far away.....

And that's not a typo you filthy creatures......🙄

[JJs dms]

1 hour ago, Poynton ram said:

Am trying to think back to what the football was like under Phil Brown and how it compares to now. Fairly certain it was tripe and do remember the fans really having a go at Brown and he left shortly afterwards. I know it was different divisions and all that but am sure it was worse then. 

Actually said to my mate after the Charlton game that I haven't felt so disillusioned with Derby since Brown and the 3 amigos season The sight of Holdsworth coming on as a sub like your fat old mate on a sunday morning to ironic cheers was awful so we aren't there yet but lets be honest we are a poor team in a poor league

[S8TY]

Sometimes football is not pure black and white …some don’t seem over bothered with Warne and how we play and others are saying they won’t attend next season with Warne in charge 

yet we are currently second which enpowers some arguments/ views  but others see it differently 

regardless of league position I often find myself thinking …wow this is poor and it’s mainly due to lack of control in the games we seem to want to play percentage football 

I remember the Graham Taylor days at Watford where they went from Div4 to Div1 where Taylor employed someone who worked it out the percentages of which ball was likely to end up in a goal and it was quite industrial route one stuff but I guess it was deemed successful as Watford went through the leagues but to me it was awful to watch 

managers who have been seen as succesful  yet parted company with there teams include Pulis at Stoke and Big Sam at a couple of clubs …why ? Mainly because it was crap to watch and the fans complained but some didn’t mind as long as results were ok 

my problem is and it’s no way having a go at others who differ in there opinion but I genuinely find our matches very hard to watch a lot of the time 

The first 20 against Charlton I really enjoyed but those passages are few and far between we seem to want to get involved in a chaotic non controlling type of game where we must get it forward sometimes when it’s not really on 

we don’t seem to ever play patient controlled football and wait for the right openings …and we have some very good players who would thrive at it in this division especially 

L1 is poor , if all 24 teams were of a poor ish standard  someone would still be top of that league and that’s where we’re at 

I really don’t see anyone as a good side and don’t think any of the top 6 would worry Ipswich or Plymouth from last season 

The big problem I see is next season with possibly QPR Reading or Sheff  Weds Rotherham ( L1 specialists !! ) Wrexham Mansfield ( who I think will surprise some ) Charlton and maybe Peterborough I think the league looks more difficult 

if we make the play offs I can see us playing like we did under Rowett in the play offs …and that was the last time I felt like I do now….where I look forward and get nervous and excited before every game …..then during the game think …this is crap …and sometimes we’re winning when I think that …

I will shout and support my team until the end of this season but I’m not enjoying it ….2nd or not! 
 

But fair play if you are enjoying it 

 

[Rich84]

2 hours ago, Poynton ram said:

Am trying to think back to what the football was like under Phil Brown and how it compares to now. Fairly certain it was tripe and do remember the fans really having a go at Brown and he left shortly afterwards. I know it was different divisions and all that but am sure it was worse then. 

Absolutely,  culminating in the FACup exit debacle at Colchester where a couple of us @hales300k ahem..... on here  managed to let it be known at the presser on the pitch at the end of the game that it was not acceptable and then 'escorted' Jeremy Keith et al back to their cars after to let it be known that Brown had to go or else there'd be more than a couple of us having a go the next time..... he was sacked a couple of days later!

2 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Don’t think it was. We still had better players then.

The football under Brown was worse than this, without a doubt, as stated above, it is the only time in 40 yrs of support I have called for a manager to be sacked!

The problem today is we have spells of decent football then spells of average and occasionally rubbish (which sticks in the mind more) football, where the players, and these are the players so many that beat Warne up over as being better than 2nd in the table and would walk the league with another manager....., are unable to control, pass it or shoot with any purpose then compound that by making individual errors to cost us the odd game, it isn't Warne telling them to give penalties away, or misplace a pass or mis control the ball.... that is because they just aren't good enough to perform at a top level consistently, hence them plying their trade in league 1, (Irrespective of previously playing at a higher level, age and fitness has caught up with them) but it is the squad we have, so encourage them, get behind them as we did against Stevenage,  and help them to get us over the line, starting at 15:00 today!

[Archied]

8 hours ago, Chris_Martin said:

again, no idea what your on about

Well if that is beyond you then it all falls into place , you just want to suck out ANY enjoyment derby fans get from watching they’re team , it’s very simple and I’m pretty sure there’s quite a few who are not keen on warne who see your constant put down EVERYTHING about warne and our current position posts the same way

[FlyBritishMidland]

I get that some aren’t enjoying the football.  I can honestly say I’ve not enjoyed every game and we’ve not played consistently well for 90mins in any game this season.  It’s been good it patches.  But I find it bizarre that poor football is a reason to sack the manager when we sit 2nd with about 1/4 of the season to go.  It’s the very reason Mad Mel sacked Clement.  He said something like it’s not all about promotion it’s about how you do it and coined the infamous phrase “the Derby way”.  And yet a lot are advocating the very same action is taken now.

And easy on the eye football doesn’t guarantee anything.  Mac 1 was some of the best football at PP, yet we lost a Play-off final and went from 1st to 8th in the last 1/4 of the season.  I get we lost Martin but Warne has lost Collins.  Mac 1 had Bent, Warne has Gayle.  It seems like they’re very similar scenarios.

And no, I’m not a Warne defender, pro-Warne, Warne supporter or whatever badge some want to put on me.  I’m accepting our situation, position in the league stage of the season, etc.  The time to review is in May, and see how we’ve done.

[InstaRam]

Isn't it as simple as if we get promoted then the job is done and otherwise we need to rebuild again with a new manager since we don't immediately seem to be building long-term under Paul?

 

Time will tell I guess. Just try to enjoy the ride (even if the football is dire) since we have a good chance still.

[Tamworthram]

7 hours ago, S8TY said:

Sometimes football is not pure black and white …some don’t seem over bothered with Warne and how we play and others are saying they won’t attend next season with Warne in charge 

yet we are currently second which enpowers some arguments/ views  but others see it differently 

regardless of league position I often find myself thinking …wow this is poor and it’s mainly due to lack of control in the games we seem to want to play percentage football 

I remember the Graham Taylor days at Watford where they went from Div4 to Div1 where Taylor employed someone who worked it out the percentages of which ball was likely to end up in a goal and it was quite industrial route one stuff but I guess it was deemed successful as Watford went through the leagues but to me it was awful to watch 

managers who have been seen as succesful  yet parted company with there teams include Pulis at Stoke and Big Sam at a couple of clubs …why ? Mainly because it was crap to watch and the fans complained but some didn’t mind as long as results were ok 

my problem is and it’s no way having a go at others who differ in there opinion but I genuinely find our matches very hard to watch a lot of the time 

The first 20 against Charlton I really enjoyed but those passages are few and far between we seem to want to get involved in a chaotic non controlling type of game where we must get it forward sometimes when it’s not really on 

we don’t seem to ever play patient controlled football and wait for the right openings …and we have some very good players who would thrive at it in this division especially 

L1 is poor , if all 24 teams were of a poor ish standard  someone would still be top of that league and that’s where we’re at 

I really don’t see anyone as a good side and don’t think any of the top 6 would worry Ipswich or Plymouth from last season 

The big problem I see is next season with possibly QPR Reading or Sheff  Weds Rotherham ( L1 specialists !! ) Wrexham Mansfield ( who I think will surprise some ) Charlton and maybe Peterborough I think the league looks more difficult 

if we make the play offs I can see us playing like we did under Rowett in the play offs …and that was the last time I felt like I do now….where I look forward and get nervous and excited before every game …..then during the game think …this is crap …and sometimes we’re winning when I think that …

I will shout and support my team until the end of this season but I’m not enjoying it ….2nd or not! 
 

But fair play if you are enjoying it 

 

I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone that is a consistently enjoying the football at the moment. But I for one am enjoying the occasional passages of play (sadly though, far too occasional), the number of games we are winning (sadly though, the sense of satisfaction is often overshadowed by a sense of relief) and the fact that we currently sit second in the league (sadly though, I now think it’s very unlikely we’ll end the season there). I am a little apprehensive about next season, regardless of what division we’re in but, I’ll worry about that once we know who we’re up against and who we sign/retain in the summer.

[Crewton]

9 hours ago, Foreveram said:

Ipswich and Luton fans could have said that a couple of years ago.

And Forest.

[Crewton]

8 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

Brilliant. I live near Southampton dontcha know. 

So the sights and sounds of tuneful seamen are never far away.....

And that's not a typo you filthy creatures......🙄

It's cold out there - watch you don't slip on the docky oysters! 😉

[Comrade 86]

11 hours ago, Birdyabroad said:

Anyway, my problem with Warne is that he has shifted the dial so far to the right, there appear no ‘happy clappers’ left.

I’m now a bloomin ‘wrist slasher’ and I hate that 😞

Are there ANY ‘happy clappers’ left in the building, is anyone out there…?

[RoyMac5]

34 minutes ago, FlyBritishMidland said:

I get that some aren’t enjoying the football.  I can honestly say I’ve not enjoyed every game and we’ve not played consistently well for 90mins in any game this season.  It’s been good it patches.  But I find it bizarre that poor football is a reason to sack the manager when we sit 2nd with about 1/4 of the season to go.  It’s the very reason Mad Mel sacked Clement.  He said something like it’s not all about promotion it’s about how you do it and coined the infamous phrase “the Derby way”.  And yet a lot are advocating the very same action is taken now.

And easy on the eye football doesn’t guarantee anything.  Mac 1 was some of the best football at PP, yet we lost a Play-off final and went from 1st to 8th in the last 1/4 of the season.  I get we lost Martin but Warne has lost Collins.  Mac 1 had Bent, Warne has Gayle.  It seems like they’re very similar scenarios.

And no, I’m not a Warne defender, pro-Warne, Warne supporter or whatever badge some want to put on me.  I’m accepting our situation, position in the league stage of the season, etc.  The time to review is in May, and see how we’ve done.

But Mad Mel wasn't wrong about Clement was he. He just made an earlier decision than some thought was necessary. He got Mac wrong - good enough for Man U - but other than that Pearson was another error. However we didn't have to suffer a lingering misery!

It's quite obvious after a season and a half of Warne that what we see is what we get. There's nothing more to come, so this is it. Some might be happy with it and some not. Those looking to a longer outlook for the squad and Club don't see the same need to give him any longer. After all it could all end like last season did in failure. We don't really have any reason not to gamble, we know what we have now.

[alram]

18 hours ago, DCFC_Sloth said:

I really liked the theory that was laid out in the final couple of years of Mel’s tenure (frightening sentence, I know). The idea that over half the first team would be made up of academy players, with high quality loans to cover shorter term gaps and good signings brought in to cover areas where there were no players coming through. I thought this was quite a good model in the modern day. It would attract youngsters with high ceilings to the club as their was a clear path to the first team, build confidence with other clubs to lend us their best talent, and allow us to spend decent money on players as academy players would be pure profit. It seemed to align academy with first team and present a good vision for a modern sustainable football club. 
 

I think we were maybe a couple of seasons from seeing it come to fruition too. We were looking at having a team/squad with the potential of having Knight, Bird, Sibley, Thompson, Delap, Gordon, Kellyman, Cashin, Ebosele, Buchanan, Whitaker, Plange, and Williams all drawn from our own academy in it. We all know why it never happened, and the initial idea behind it may have been pushed by outside factors, but looking at the idea on paper it showed a club well aligned in philosophy, both in development and recruitment.

At the moment I don’t really know what the plan is. Academy players don’t seem to be anywhere near it. That might be due to the club being gutted and them not being to the standard but they never seem to be given a chance. The recruitment seems to be focused on older players, but they don’t appear to fit a system. Cocu spoke about having all teams playing the same way so younger players can step up, which seems really sensible, but currently our first team doesn’t seem to have a consistent way of playing let alone something aligned through the age groups. I think we could do with really setting out a clear goal and a philosophy and working towards it. It would really allow supporters to buy into the vision and direction. Build trust and patience. And, as I think supporters often back their academy graduates the most, really build a unity between team and fans. 

Fantastic post and what I have been crying out for all along

 

i I think anyone with eyes can see our current way of operating both on and off the pitch isn’t sustainable. Feels like every year we are gonna be approaching a rebuild and when warne goes somebody with a completely different playstyle will come in and need another rebuild 

 

I can’t fault warne for league position as he is doing what is asked of him. but deep down I worry there is no long term sustainability to what is happening and we will end up like rotherham if warne stays

[alram]

and in regards to the style I don’t think it’s about kick and rush or tiki taka that make a style good or bad

 

its about intensity, slowly passing it around whilst having control of the game is the most boring football imaginable but playing hoof ball is terrible too.

 

Liverpool and Man City completely different in styles, one is more kick and rush and one is control the game but both play at a high intensity which makes it brilliant to watch. 
 

Everton and Luton both play hoof ball but Everton play it with no intensity which makes for absolute snoozfests and Luton play at a million miles an hour which results in great watches

 

just a few examples but the bottom line is low intensity makes for bad boring football and high intensity makes for entertainment, I have never had issue with direct football if it results in entertainment

Edited March 2 by alram

[Crewton]

1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said:

But Mad Mel wasn't wrong about Clement was he. He just made an earlier decision than some thought was necessary. He got Mac wrong - good enough for Man U - but other than that Pearson was another error. However we didn't have to suffer a lingering misery!

So what would you call Administration and near extinction that resulted from years of overspending to satisfy a procession of managers resulting from those prompt sackings?

[RoyMac5]

Just now, Crewton said:

So what would you call Administration and near extinction that resulted from years of overspending to satisfy a procession of managers resulting from those prompt sackings?

That wasn't the necessarily the cause of Administration and near extinction (for the third time in my memory!), after all we got good money in for Snake and Lampard. 

[MackworthRamIsGod]

Today is a great opportunity for Paul to prove us doubters wrong.

At home to Port Vale, with Dwight Gayle, Corey Blackett Taylor and Mendez-Laing at his disposal.

I don't even think he can mess this up.

[Anag Ram]

18 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

Today is a great opportunity for Paul to prove us doubters wrong.

At home to Port Vale, with Dwight Gayle, Corey Blackett Taylor and Mendez-Laing at his disposal.

I don't even think he can mess this up.