Derby v Shrewsbury Town - Match Day Thread

[CBRammette]

48 minutes ago, Archied said:

Thought the game was going to be a tough watch before I headed off in the morning , we always struggle against team who turn up with 11 wwf wrestlers unless we have a decent ref who stamps on it early to allow a game of football to break out , which rarely happens , reffing is very very poor in league 1🤷🏻‍♂️,

biggest gripe is we really needed to get right after them when we went 1-0 up , raise the tempo and raise the fans , our players just don’t seem to have that in them and I’m not putting that down to warne , apparently he showed them how results were going for us at half time and I kinda think if he lied and said we were losing ground we would have won , we have a team that seems capable of opening doors but not storming through them once open ,

Irritating as duck yesterday but we move on to the next game 🤷🏻‍♂️

Agree with all of that apart from the feeling on heading off - we had good vibes yesterday 🙄

I did think that "big day out" wanting to perform bringing almost the whole home crowd aspect would have settled down this year.  You'd think they had qualified for Champions League yesterday. Just so fed up as to where we are. Group of big men aged about 16 with glassy eyes with their police escort in car park after match certainly thought so. 
 

Just would love us to go up in a joyous exciting way. Not going to happen is it. Would love to know what Mr Clowes really thinks 

[SSD]

35 minutes ago, jono said:

Yes, I was thinking the same. As the gloom merchants say there is a bit too much hoofing and outbreaks of head tennis but quality of football ? Surely a big chunk of quality football isn’t about tactics and set up .. it has to be about how players control a ball, pass the ball, beat a man, tackle cleanly, read the game as individuals.

We are slipping up because the consistency of quality in individual play isn’t there . That isn’t about effort or coaching it’s about skill level.

The players can have lapses in concentration, that happens to every team and late goals goes for and against us. The manager tells the players what do, how to set up, where to play the ball, movements going forward. I think the squad is good enough to play with more control, more fluidity, wearing sides out by actually keeping the ball. There was a couple of times where it was one touch passing and we got into their box, really good football. If we just kept the ball better, Shrewsbury would have burnt out in the end. Their quality of pass was awful and we kept gifting them opportunities to knock the ball in the channels once their subs came on.

The manager does not want the team to retain the ball, hence why every side we face regardless of quality keeps having chances. We should be killing teams off, not just with the scoreline but making them run around and tiring them out. We could easily pick teams off but Warne's style of football makes it very difficult to put games to bed. I don't think many folks are moaning for the sake of it, even if I don't agree with some of their points. The team is not playing smartly enough in a "bad patch" where we are picking up points but it is a chore to see to 90 minutes. We should not be breathing a sigh of relief thinking I'm glad we've like some points here like underdog smaller club with a small budget. 

 

Edited February 11 by SSD

[CBRammette]

53 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

This should really be on another forum but if someone isn't deriving any enjoyment from participating in an activity then there is a solution before it affects your mental wellbeing.

Imagine going to watch Derby as a way of escaping the 9 to 5 grind and it's actually bringing you down more which defeats the purpose. 

Why not try to focus on the positives - we're second in the league. 

When you have a season ticket you keep going but many times this season after leaving by 11 and getting back at 8 even when winning it has felt like a slog. After the effort and expense involved think fans can discuss the negatives as much as they like as long as they are not vicious to staff or players personally.

Are you really saying you get back from a game and feel uplifted focussing just on the positives? Yesterday was an opportunity missed against a poor side with 2 henchmen at the back who should have been torn apart. If we get promoted we will scrape it

[Gabby'sThighs]

It was a disappointing result but I agree with the hundred previous posters who have pointed out that we're tactically naive. We started defensively against a team who had scored 6 away goals. We should have got stuck in from the first second. Too often this season the first 45 minutes is simply wasted, and then we're chasing the game in the second half after an adjustment.

I read the Guardian's report on the Leverkusen-Bayern game, and an observation there stuck out to me: "But what distinguishes this Leverkusen team is how little they rely on moments of individual quality. They defend and attack as a unit..." We rely almost entirely on moments of individual quality! In recent games particularly, it has been flashes from Bird, NML, Hourihane, or Collins to pull a result out of the bag. With a coherent system, we have good enough players, and a deep enough squad, to demolish most teams.

I don't think any individual had a bad game yesterday - in fact, I thought Sibley, Bird, Nyambe, Adams, and Nelson played very well - but they're being asked to set up in seemingly random, incoherent, and ineffective ways, from game to game. Second half was a good performance, and I was impressed by how they kept going and nearly snatched a winner through Nelson & Barks, but it should have been all over by then. Shrewsbury were pretty crap, and we let them off.

Still, 15 games to go, all to play for, and enough rubbish sides in this league that I still think we can struggle our way to an automatic spot!

[Tyler Durden]

13 minutes ago, CBRammette said:

When you have a season ticket you keep going but many times this season after leaving by 11 and getting back at 8 even when winning it has felt like a slog. After the effort and expense involved think fans can discuss the negatives as much as they like as long as they are not vicious to staff or players personally.

Are you really saying you get back from a game and feel uplifted focussing just on the positives? Yesterday was an opportunity missed against a poor side with 2 henchmen at the back who should have been torn apart. If we get promoted we will scrape it

Yer I made the mistake of trying to ask a larger question which was what is the point of doing something if you don't enjoy it, which as I alluded to really sits on the Depression etc thread on another forum. 

I'll try and stick to discussing football matters in the future as it's far more simplistic 🙂

[MadAmster]

Not a "don't forget we nearly didn't have a club" thought but... the current manager and his predecessor have put together a squad with very little funding that has us in with a shout of going up via the autos. Very commendable when you think of the millions spaffed up the wall by previous managers on player fees and wages for players who were absolute dross. managers who then found themselves overnight millionaires thanks to the compo they got on being sacked.

Our starting shape played into Shrews' hands. Shape was changed after 35 minutes of an absolutely awful first half of football from both sides. 0-0 was the best either side could hope for at that juncture.

2nd half was better but we have to remember that it would have been difficult to be that bad again. When Bird put the ball away for the 1-0, it was deserved as we were the better side. They then got back into it without ever looking like worrying Wildsmith. Then came that equaliser. 88th minute throw in, in the corner, we fell asleep. Collo was beaten way too easily, Wilson was out of position and couldn't get back to worry their man in possession, pass to Pierre some 12 yards out where he was totally unmarked and his shot gave JW no chance. It was their first real shot on target, the previous one had been a gentle lob into JW's arms. They did have another shot after their goal which JW saved well. Then we created a chance up the other end but Nelson's downwards header bounced up onto the bar instead of into the net.

Shrews came with the game plan I expected and executed it well, restricting us to just 8 shots with 3 on target to their 7 and 3.

We need, IMO, to look at some of our pushing and pulling in the oppo's area. Their keeper made that double save from Barks but, had one of the 2 attempts gone in, the goal would have been disallowed for Collo having pushed a defender over. Why do we do things that give refs the choice? Don't commit fouls in the opponent's box... or our own for that matter.

Ref? less than average. Let too much go, IMO. I wouldn't have complained if his (lack of) decision making had been spread evenly but we seemed to be on the wrong end of 2/3 of his Law interpretations. First half saw one of his Assistants pull us up 8 or 9 times for offside. I'm not convinced they were all correct decisions. It is, however, something our attacking players need to be more aware of and, hopefully, cut out of our play. Especially Collo who seems to wander back slowly and then get caught offside when he challenges for the ball despite having been well offside when the ball was played.

[Tamworthram]

2 hours ago, CBRammette said:

When you have a season ticket you keep going but many times this season after leaving by 11 and getting back at 8 even when winning it has felt like a slog. After the effort and expense involved think fans can discuss the negatives as much as they like as long as they are not vicious to staff or players personally.

Are you really saying you get back from a game and feel uplifted focussing just on the positives? Yesterday was an opportunity missed against a poor side with 2 henchmen at the back who should have been torn apart. If we get promoted we will scrape it

The weird thing is, despite most games being pretty grim in general, and I often leave the ground thinking that wasn't very good but at least we managed to hold on (or something similar), after a couple of days I still can't wait for the next game. I'll renew my season ticket and attend half a dozen away games next season even though I have fairly low expectations (but high hopes) for what's in store. The agony of being a football supporter. It feels a bit like an addiction - it costs you a load of money and the lows often outweigh the highs but you simply can't give it up.

[MadAmster]

... forgot to add that when the corner ball entered the penalty area I was thinking "yet another poor one" and then Max buried it 😉

[VulcanRam]

14 hours ago, ck- said:

Genuine question as I seem to have lost my understanding of what counts as offside with all the “interfering with play” considerations. But who was offside? The ball was played backwards to the player who scored so it’s not him. They had a player on the line, but he was behind Wildsmith so not obstructing him. Pretty much in the same way that Hourihane was for our goal. 

The player standing behind Wildsmith and Elder on the line is in an offside position when the shot came in, he clearly interfered with Elder's ability to prevent the ball from going in by shoving/pulling him out of the way of the travelling ball. If the player hadn't of been there, Elder would have blocked it with ease. Therefore he is affecting play from an offside position and the flag should have gone up.

Only Bradley seemed to kick up a fuss, which I was surprised about. 

It was yet another poor decision in an afternoon of poor decisions from the officials. 

 

[Mucker1884]

1 minute ago, Stockport Ram said:

Blimey. 

Juxtaposing our current football and Kylie in hot pants was something I never thought I’d see on this esteemed forum, even from the esteemed member in question.

Still, it’s cheered up me Sunday no end ! 😂😂

Who're you calling a member, pal!  😲

 

[Tyler Durden]

5 hours ago, Mucker1884 said:

 

 

 

 

I'm with @ramtique on this.  It's simply not as enjoyable as it has been.  It's not as entertaining as it could be.  Jipes, it could even be argued it's not as entertaining as it SHOULD be (But that's a separate discussion). 
Like @ramtique, I too suspect there are others (20k+, quite likely, but I appreciate I could be open to argument there!)

I'm not threatening to down STs and stay away (Although it does occasionally cross my mind!).  I'm certainly not affected enough to be concerned about my day to day mental well being.
I don't enjoy seaside do-nuts as much as I did 40 years ago, but they're still bloody tempting when you're within touching distance of the seaside.
Same with Kylie in gold hotpants.  It just doesn't have that same effect any more... but I ain't gonna click away if it unintentionally pops up on my YouTube suggestions! 👀

 

Hey, @Tyler Durden, why not not try to focus on what folk are actually posting, rather than exaggerating their words and opinions to a polar extreme?  Just a thought.

 

[Van der MoodHoover]

9 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

I was thinking of doing the same so that I miss the first half given how generally grim they have been at PP.

Comes to something when a decent start is getting our first shot off by around the 30th minute 

[Blondest Goat]

8 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

This should really be on another forum but if someone isn't deriving any enjoyment from participating in an activity then there is a solution before it affects your mental wellbeing.

Imagine going to watch Derby as a way of escaping the 9 to 5 grind and it's actually bringing you down more which defeats the purpose. 

Why not try to focus on the positives - we're second in the league. 

You don't appear to derive any pleasure from reading other members posts but you still come on here.

[silverback]

45 wasted mins first half 

Is Warne that naive/stupid? has he/management team done their homework? what lead them to believe that 3 at the back was the way to go when they had one guy up front, does it take 3 defenders to cover that?

4-3-3 was the obvious way, or 4-4-2 but no lets persist for half an hour in a formation, that the players flounder in and then expect them to change in game time by the way. 

I am firmly starting to believe that a better manager would be getting more from this squad. Just because we are second does not detract that we could easily be a country mile ahead in the table.

Loved Adams' contribution was just what we are missing, and I almost put my head in my hands when he ran out of steam, why is his fitness level so low?

 

[Anag Ram]

Must stay I’m enjoying the pre-match music.

Really cranks up the expectation.

Wish the first five minutes had the same tempo!

 

[May Contain Nuts]

 

50 minutes ago, Blondest Goat said:

You don't appear to derive any pleasure from reading other members posts but you still come on here.

[Ramarena]

35 minutes ago, silverback said:

45 wasted mins first half 

Is Warne that naive/stupid? has he/management team done their homework? what lead them to believe that 3 at the back was the way to go when they had one guy up front, does it take 3 defenders to cover that?

4-3-3 was the obvious way, or 4-4-2 but no lets persist for half an hour in a formation, that the players flounder in and then expect them to change in game time by the way. 

I am firmly starting to believe that a better manager would be getting more from this squad. Just because we are second does not detract that we could easily be a country mile ahead in the table.

Loved Adams' contribution was just what we are missing, and I almost put my head in my hands when he ran out of steam, why is his fitness level so low?

 

He’s played only a handful of games in the last year.

[DavesaRam]

There is an interesting interview (sorry, I don't have the link) with the Shrewsbury manager who states that they got their point because we took our foot off the gas.

It seems that the only people who can’t see this are Pail Warne and his co-underachievers. 

[Tyler Durden]

1 hour ago, Blondest Goat said:

You don't appear to derive any pleasure from reading other members posts but you still come on here.

I only really come on here to read your insightful posts 

[Andicis]

I genuinely believe the only reason we are anywhere this year is because the division is the worst it's been in years. The likes of Ipswich, Plymouth and Wednesday last year were levels above any team in league one this year. I think this crappy division masks just how poor we are. We're rubbish, I don't care if we're sat in second. The eye test is a complete giveaway.