Will Derby County get back in Premiership

[Tamworthram]

1 hour ago, Curtains said:

Because the EFL are still sanctioning us it is difficult to see a path to the Premier League even if a rich investor bought us and I think it would deter them anyway. 
So i am grateful to David Clowes for saving us but I’m still a bit glum about what we have been through as a Football Club. 

We’re not going to be subject to EFL sanctions forever though are we? Therefore, that in itself wouldn’t deter a rich investor.

There is a path to the Premier League, so don’t write off happening one day, but it is of course highly competitive.

[RodleyRam]

In short, this should be the objective.

However, my optimism that we would rebuild the club with a very modern, long term approach from the ground up piece by piece after admin is slipping away. 

Doesn't mean we won't make the top flight at some point in the next 10 years I'm just not sure the current model gets us or keeps us there.

It's a cup half empty day.

[Caerphilly Ram]

1 minute ago, RodleyRam said:

In short, this should be the objective.

However, my optimism that we would rebuild the club with a very modern, long term approach from the ground up piece by piece after admin is slipping away. 

Doesn't mean we won't make the top flight at some point in the next 10 years I'm just not sure the current model gets us or keeps us there.

It's a cup half empty day.

What is it about the post admin approach to the club overall (not the first team management/coaching) that concerns you?

I’d argue other than Warne and the first team, which is an ongoing discussion across several threads, Clowes is doing exactly what you were hoping for. He’s refreshed and renewed the coaching set up for the academy whilst retaining category 1 status, he’s recruited a new recruitment “specialist” (who’s work thus far we’re yet to properly see results from), we’ve added 11 first team players of varying ages and contract lengths 9 of who are permanent additions whilst also adding 8(?) new players to the u21 side. Clowes is seemingly doing a lot to improve the culture of the club and also the outward perception of the club after our name was muddied quite spectacularly. He’s invested in the women’s side and brought that into the structure of the club.
He’s preaching about the club being sustainable, with a patient long term vision. Seems to be exactly what you suggest you wanted? 

If Warne is your concern, he may or may not prove successful, if he’s not then another manager will come in and have a go, that’s the nature of football. It seems to be that regardless of that, there is work being done to stabilise and secure the reputation and infrastructure of the club for the future, but I could of course be mistaken. 
 

[IslandExile]

Derby County have never competed at Rugby but hey.....whatever floats your boat. Oh no, that's sailing.

[therealhantsram]

3 hours ago, Curtains said:

I think it’s very difficult 😞 

Only if we switch to Rugby 😜

[RodleyRam]

2 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

What is it about the post admin approach to the club overall (not the first team management/coaching) that concerns you?

I’d argue other than Warne and the first team, which is an ongoing discussion across several threads, Clowes is doing exactly what you were hoping for. He’s refreshed and renewed the coaching set up for the academy whilst retaining category 1 status, he’s recruited a new recruitment “specialist” (who’s work thus far we’re yet to properly see results from), we’ve added 11 first team players of varying ages and contract lengths 9 of who are permanent additions whilst also adding 8(?) new players to the u21 side. Clowes is seemingly doing a lot to improve the culture of the club and also the outward perception of the club after our name was muddied quite spectacularly. He’s invested in the women’s side and brought that into the structure of the club.
He’s preaching about the club being sustainable, with a patient long term vision. Seems to be exactly what you suggest you wanted? 

If Warne is your concern, he may or may not prove successful, if he’s not then another manager will come in and have a go, that’s the nature of football. It seems to be that regardless of that, there is work being done to stabilise and secure the reputation and infrastructure of the club for the future, but I could of course be mistaken. 
 

All very sensible and well conveyed points. As I said, I'm probably in a slightly grumpy mood.

I think it's the disconnect I perceive between Warne and the rest of the club at the moment (or at least what I would want the rest of the club to look like)

I'm sure I've made this point before in my more whiney posts but my fave managers of the last 15 years were Clough and the small insight we got into Rosenior's philosophy. Something about the way they spoke and approached their roles made me think they were at one with the club, understood what made it tick and wanted to build something from the ground up. I really bought into what they said and how they went about it.

I just don't genuinely feel that with Warne and if you don't have that in the first team manager, I don't know how much of the other stuff can come to fruition. It's about pathways to the first team, embedding a playing style from the youth teams up, integration with the community. 

I just feel like we have Warne and the first team over here and the rest of the club over there. It's just a feeling and I have absolutely zero to back it up!

Jury is out on the recruitment team. 

And for the record I'm not in the Warne out camp, I quite like the guy, I'm just struggling to make sense of the club at the moment and can't get that excited about where we're heading.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Not really sure why anyone should be particularly precious about us getting into the Premiership.

It lost its meaning and relevance for me years ago.

[Caerphilly Ram]

29 minutes ago, RodleyRam said:

All very sensible and well conveyed points. As I said, I'm probably in a slightly grumpy mood.

I think it's the disconnect I perceive between Warne and the rest of the club at the moment (or at least what I would want the rest of the club to look like)

I'm sure I've made this point before in my more whiney posts but my fave managers of the last 15 years were Clough and the small insight we got into Rosenior's philosophy. Something about the way they spoke and approached their roles made me think they were at one with the club, understood what made it tick and wanted to build something from the ground up. I really bought into what they said and how they went about it.

I just don't genuinely feel that with Warne and if you don't have that in the first team manager, I don't know how much of the other stuff can come to fruition. It's about pathways to the first team, embedding a playing style from the youth teams up, integration with the community. 

I just feel like we have Warne and the first team over here and the rest of the club over there. It's just a feeling and I have absolutely zero to back it up!

Jury is out on the recruitment team. 

And for the record I'm not in the Warne out camp, I quite like the guy, I'm just struggling to make sense of the club at the moment and can't get that excited about where we're heading.

 

Don’t worry, I wasn’t looking to label you one thing or the other regards Warne, nor looking for an argument or anything. Just wondered what it was about the running of the club that had you concerned. Thanks for replying.

I understand and appreciate the ongoing concerns with Warne from some people, I think I’m less concerned by it because I can see how short the typical lifespan of a manager is in the modern game. If Warne performs we succeed and go up through the leagues (everyone wins), if he doesn’t succeed he loses his job, someone else comes in, and I don’t see it as being the big reset that others do. The club and academy will be set up regardless of who the manager is, things might just take a bit of time but I’m ok with that, I’m in no rush. 

[Archie]

59 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

Not really sure why anyone should be particularly precious about us getting into the Premiership.

It lost its meaning and relevance for me years ago.

Me in spades. And exactly why I have very little love for the national team also. 

Being in the Premier league and fighting to finish 17th every season doesn't appeal at all. They're welcome to it. Much prefer to be in a competitive league where anyone can challenge given a good spell of results. Sounds weird, but I would much prefer to be cramped into a tight stadium with the smell of football all around rather than paying 60 quid to watch in a souless bowl full of Asian tourists taking photos. 

[Walkley Ram]

4 hours ago, Tombo said:

Er not this year no

Wow, another negative forum member. Don't we have enough of them already?

[Walkley Ram]

1 hour ago, IslandExile said:

Derby County have never competed at Rugby but hey.....whatever floats your boat. Oh no, that's sailing.

We're barely competing at football these days.

[Premier ram]

2 hours ago, oodledoodle said:

We're barely competing at football these days.

 

                          

[Chellaston Ram]

We don’t necessarily need loads of money, just a reasonable amount of money and more importantly a decent manager 

[CBRammette]

Yes we will and it will be sweet

[Ambitious]

Eventually, yes, but not in its current form. I think Clowes will struggle to fund a financial push to the Premier League, so there has to be an emphasis on working harder and smarter than every other club to even give ourselves a chance. I've seen enough to know that it isn't going to happen under Thomas, Warne and co. 

People point to Luton, but they did exactly that - they worked harder and smarter than everyone else to give them a chance. They lost good players along the way, but still managed to recruit well and replace them along the way. They lost Nathan Jones, replaced him with a much better manager to see the job through. They don't have a lot of money, but you can see their decision-making at every level is very considered. 

It's difficult to underestimate how difficult it is to take a team from League One and put them in the Premier League, but it can only be done by smart hiring and smart recruitment. Clubs take shape in the vision of their owner (unless a CEO is hired) and we're still learning how David Clowes' operates in football. I get the feeling that he's a little bit of a traditionalist in that he will focus on the academy, he has shown that much, but I get the feeling that everything will be quite safe under his ownership. If Warne was to go, he doesn't strike me as someone who would roll the dice on a Frank Lampard or Wayne Rooney (if it was their first job). I see us being run similarly to a Preston under his ownership, perhaps Bristol City.

[Comrade 86]

8 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

Not really sure why anyone should be particularly precious about us getting into the Premiership.

My wild guess would be that some folk think differently to you and would love to see the club back where they believe it belongs.

Staggering, I know! 🤷‍♂️

 

[maydrakin]

I miss the days where every team at the start of the season generally could feel that it could be their year.

The money in the game has turned things more into one of those situations in WWE, where one of the stars pummels some no name wrestler.  If we get to the 1st division, we’ll be that no-name wrestler in the eyes of the global audience…

[Mucker1884]

I’m in no hurry to return to the misery of losing every week, wondering if we’ll beat 11 pts, whilst sat wondering what to squander our new found wealth on!

Give me those oh so much happier times of false dawns, last minute championship play off heartache and nigh on annual shattered dreams!  🤣

[Curtains]

39 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

I’m in no hurry to return to the misery of losing every week, wondering if we’ll beat 11 pts, whilst sat wondering what to squander our new found wealth on!

Give me those oh so much happier times of false dawns, last minute championship play off heartache and nigh on annual shattered dreams!  🤣

So why do people fret when we lose.  
To what end !

[Curtains]

50 minutes ago, maydrakin said:

I miss the days where every team at the start of the season generally could feel that it could be their year.

The money in the game has turned things more into one of those situations in WWE, where one of the stars pummels some no name wrestler.  If we get to the 1st division, we’ll be that no-name wrestler in the eyes of the global audience…

Yes that’s it .

Doesn’t matter if we get promoted or not does it 

No need to bother if we win or lose 

It’s only a game .

I mean what’s the point of matches