Is "woke" confusing kids

[sage]

3 minutes ago, Normanton Lad said:

All sensible parents must know by now that our government has been lying to them all their lives. If you don't expect them to tell the truth why would you trust our government or their agents (teachers) to be able to tell your children what is right and wrong.

It is up to the parents to pass on moral standards and the traditions you want your children to keep.  If the schools are brainwashing your children with nonsense you need to teach your children about cults and deprogramme them.

If you accept all this nonsense yourself then there is no hope for you or your children.

If you think that this government and the vast majority of teachers have similar moral codes, you are very much mistaken.

[Crewton]

I think there's a link between the views of people like Tate and the utter fear of their bodies that many young girls feel now, which leads them to go through "top" surgery without ever having the intention of going all the way to transitioning. His message is utterly poisonous and I hope he ends up being utterly humiliated, but I'm not confident he will be. 

[ariotofmyown]

9 hours ago, Normanton Lad said:

All sensible parents must know by now that our government has been lying to them all their lives. If you don't expect them to tell the truth why would you trust our government or their agents (teachers) to be able to tell your children what is right and wrong.

It is up to the parents to pass on moral standards and the traditions you want your children to keep.  If the schools are brainwashing your children with nonsense you need to teach your children about cults and deprogramme them.

If you accept all this nonsense yourself then there is no hope for you or your children.

Who is this new master of irony? Almost had me for 2 mins!

[uttoxram75]

I have no knowledge of all this stuff but what I do know is that my 14 and 11 year old grand daughters love to play on a rope swing across a river with their friends and Granddad gets the blame when he takes them home wet and muddy.

Let kids be kids and get them out in the wild away from computers and phones.

[Anag Ram]

6 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

I have no knowledge of all this stuff but what I do know is that my 14 and 11 year old grand daughters love to play on a rope swing across a river with their friends and Granddad gets the blame when he takes them home wet and muddy.

Let kids be kids and get them out in the wild away from computers and phones.

OMG they’re swinging already?
?

[Ewe Ram]

Because of my job I find out a lot of stuff I really wish I didn’t. 
kids in lovely families with good homes being radicalised online. This isn’t just Islam or whatever, it’s street gangs recruiting. 
kids who are 10 years old saying they’re going to kill themselves and know how to do it. 
parents who seriously want to have their children in gender reassignment clinics before they’ve even reached puberty. 
Parents who have no filter or moral code, their kids are exposed to porn, drugs, alcohol abuse and actually think it’s all normal somehow. 
I wish I didn’t know these things because I think it’s all becoming too ‘normal’ and it’s frightening 

[sage]

The whole area is a minefield.

The only thing I can say with sense of certainty is gender reassignment surgery or medication before the age of 18 is an accident waiting to happen.

 

[Alph]

On 28/01/2023 at 01:23, uttoxram75 said:

I have no knowledge of all this stuff but what I do know is that my 14 and 11 year old grand daughters love to play on a rope swing across a river with their friends and Granddad gets the blame when he takes them home wet and muddy.

Let kids be kids and get them out in the wild away from computers and phones.

I do try. 

But the problem is that the only way they do kid things is if it's with me. Because all their friends want to do is play online games, watch YouTube, do TikTok dances etc. 

It's hard to drag them away from online stuff and not due to lazy parenting but just because that's where kids live their lives now. That's where their friends are. 

I think if I sent them out building dens and riding bikes that they'd be on their own. 

Another messed up thing is I don't think kids know how to play. We could turn our living room into Vietnam jungles without touching a cushion. We could hold imaginary wrestling belts. And toy soldiers could go up to the bath for some naval combat! 

Now they just seem to lack any imagination. Most of them will watch kids play with toys on YouTube rather than play themselves. 

I've had to show my youngest how to role play with her dolls. What the heck is that about and how did it happen. 

Toys are dying. And so is imagination. Mine couldn't build a den without me if I evicted them into the garden for a full week. 

[AndyinLiverpool]

On 27/01/2023 at 16:02, Normanton Lad said:

All sensible parents must know by now that our government has been lying to them all their lives. If you don't expect them to tell the truth why would you trust our government or their agents (teachers) to be able to tell your children what is right and wrong.

It is up to the parents to pass on moral standards and the traditions you want your children to keep.  If the schools are brainwashing your children with nonsense you need to teach your children about cults and deprogramme them.

If you accept all this nonsense yourself then there is no hope for you or your children.

I thought teachers were the enemy within. Now they are the agents of the government? Blimey.

[Stive Pesley]

14 minutes ago, Alpha said:

Mine couldn't build a den without me if I evicted them into the garden for a full week. 

Yep - and my grandad was horrified that I didn't know how to climb up his chimney and sweep it

[Normanton Lad]

7 hours ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

I thought teachers were the enemy within. Now they are the agents of the government? Blimey.

It is well over half a century since I left school but by some freak of nature I still have children at school. I know what is going on in schools today. Teachers are commissars. They are instructing children on how they should think and behave in accordance with government guidelines. Any teacher who goes against the current woke zeitgeist is punished. For example, if they said a man cannot become a woman for obvious genetic reasons then they would be harassed and publicly humiliated. If a teacher today expressed the political and social views of an average person of my age they would probably be arrested as well as being sacked.

This summer I was walking through the park with my youngest son and we passed a heavily tattooed woman with a crewcut and half a ton of metal work on a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp. When she passed my son said she was a teacher at his school and she was "transitioning". When I was at school such a person would not have been allowed to teach. She would not have been regarded as someone who could be trusted to pass on the social norms required by the government of the day. Teachers have always been agents of the government.
 

[AndyinLiverpool]

22 minutes ago, Normanton Lad said:

It is well over half a century since I left school but by some freak of nature I still have children at school. I know what is going on in schools today. Teachers are commissars. They are instructing children on how they should think and behave in accordance with government guidelines. Any teacher who goes against the current woke zeitgeist is punished. For example, if they said a man cannot become a woman for obvious genetic reasons then they would be harassed and publicly humiliated. If a teacher today expressed the political and social views of an average person of my age they would probably be arrested as well as being sacked.

This summer I was walking through the park with my youngest son and we passed a heavily tattooed woman with a crewcut and half a ton of metal work on a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp. When she passed my son said she was a teacher at his school and she was "transitioning". When I was at school such a person would not have been allowed to teach. She would not have been regarded as someone who could be trusted to pass on the social norms required by the government of the day. Teachers have always been agents of the government.
 

You think teachers are doing the government's woke bidding? That's just cobblers.

[Comrade 86]

1 hour ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

You think teachers are doing the government's woke bidding? That's just cobblers.

Sneaky, woke b******* ?

And there was me thinking they just mended shoes!

[YouRams]

I have a teenage daughter who at 11 decided she likes girls before doing a uturn and having a boyfriend, don't know which one I was more alarmed about! And a brother/sister in law thats a boy but now wants to be called by a girl's name and wears make up. The common denominator... they're both glued to TikTok. I'll leave it at that on my views. 

[ariotofmyown]

3 hours ago, Normanton Lad said:

This summer I was walking through the park with my youngest son and we passed a heavily tattooed woman with a crewcut and half a ton of metal work on a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp. When she passed my son said she was a teacher at his school and she was "transitioning".

Why did you try and kiss me?

[ariotofmyown]

10 hours ago, Alpha said:

I do try. 

But the problem is that the only way they do kid things is if it's with me. Because all their friends want to do is play online games, watch YouTube, do TikTok dances etc. 

It's hard to drag them away from online stuff and not due to lazy parenting but just because that's where kids live their lives now. That's where their friends are. 

I think if I sent them out building dens and riding bikes that they'd be on their own. 

Another messed up thing is I don't think kids know how to play. We could turn our living room into Vietnam jungles without touching a cushion. We could hold imaginary wrestling belts. And toy soldiers could go up to the bath for some naval combat! 

Now they just seem to lack any imagination. Most of them will watch kids play with toys on YouTube rather than play themselves. 

I've had to show my youngest how to role play with her dolls. What the heck is that about and how did it happen. 

Toys are dying. And so is imagination. Mine couldn't build a den without me if I evicted them into the garden for a full week. 

Have you seen how good modern computer games are though!

[ariotofmyown]

3 hours ago, Normanton Lad said:

It is well over half a century since I left school but by some freak of nature I still have children at school. I know what is going on in schools today. Teachers are commissars. They are instructing children on how they should think and behave in accordance with government guidelines. Any teacher who goes against the current woke zeitgeist is punished. For example, if they said a man cannot become a woman for obvious genetic reasons then they would be harassed and publicly humiliated. If a teacher today expressed the political and social views of an average person of my age they would probably be arrested as well as being sacked.

This summer I was walking through the park with my youngest son and we passed a heavily tattooed woman with a crewcut and half a ton of metal work on a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp. When she passed my son said she was a teacher at his school and she was "transitioning". When I was at school such a person would not have been allowed to teach. She would not have been regarded as someone who could be trusted to pass on the social norms required by the government of the day. Teachers have always been agents of the government.
 

This was a really interesting thread, with lots of nuance about a difficult and sensitive subject.

Try reading all the posts before inflicting your ideas on us. Or perhaps start a new thread about how teachers are government woke agents trying to turn all kids trans, and I know this cos a teacher had some face piercings. 

[Archied]

6 hours ago, ariotofmyown said:

This was a really interesting thread, with lots of nuance about a difficult and sensitive subject.

Try reading all the posts before inflicting your ideas on us. Or perhaps start a new thread about how teachers are government woke agents trying to turn all kids trans, and I know this cos a teacher had some face piercings. 

Is it not good to hear everyone’s opinions on the subject? 
would kids be allowed to turn up at school with face piercing s ? 
personally I do believe there’s a bit of a switch going on where children an being taught what to think rather than how to think 

 

[GboroRam]

21 minutes ago, Archied said:

Is it not good to hear everyone’s opinions on the subject? 
would kids be allowed to turn up at school with face piercing s ? 
personally I do believe there’s a bit of a switch going on where children an being taught what to think rather than how to think 

 

I hear this kind of thing repeated regularly, but it isn't my experience. I've got 5 children in 4 different schools, and I don't know where that idea comes from. Of course there's a more open, tolerant approach to diversity, but does anyone think that the atrocious attitudes towards anyone who stood out as a bit different in "the good old days" were the way to deal with it? Children clearly trapped in an identity struggle, unable to express themselves for fear of being mocked. We were ruthless towards anyone who didn't fit in. That's no longer the case. 

The only time I've known a school set expectations about a child's views and/or opinions was regarding a child who was beginning to show racist and homophobic views openly, and a video circulated with him throwing a nazi salute. This has been treated as highly serious, as he's a radicalisation risk. And if school ignored it, we'd all be up in arms at the handling of it. 

It feels unnatural to allow young children to explore these boundaries, sexuality and self identity. But I'm sure young children throughout time have felt confused, alienated and different because they don't fit the societal norms. It's just become easier to talk about it in modern times, and these children can look at popular culture and see others who are able to go against the norm without being a pariah. If it's handled sensitively, I think it's not a big problem. 

[Archied]

7 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

I hear this kind of thing repeated regularly, but it isn't my experience. I've got 5 children in 4 different schools, and I don't know where that idea comes from. Of course there's a more open, tolerant approach to diversity, but does anyone think that the atrocious attitudes towards anyone who stood out as a bit different in "the good old days" were the way to deal with it? Children clearly trapped in an identity struggle, unable to express themselves for fear of being mocked. We were ruthless towards anyone who didn't fit in. That's no longer the case. 

The only time I've known a school set expectations about a child's views and/or opinions was regarding a child who was beginning to show racist and homophobic views openly, and a video circulated with him throwing a nazi salute. This has been treated as highly serious, as he's a radicalisation risk. And if school ignored it, we'd all be up in arms at the handling of it. 

It feels unnatural to allow young children to explore these boundaries, sexuality and self identity. But I'm sure young children throughout time have felt confused, alienated and different because they don't fit the societal norms. It's just become easier to talk about it in modern times, and these children can look at popular culture and see others who are able to go against the norm without being a pariah. If it's handled sensitively, I think it's not a big problem. 

As with lots of areas I just don’t think there’s ever any effort to strike a balance , we veer from extreme to extreme, for me where we are at the moment is a scenario where we are pushing children much too young to question they’re identity rather than having an environment where children who are questioning they’re identity are supported and I truly believe we are harming people by telling them they can switch sex , a male can not ever truly become a female and visa versa , no amount of mutation will change that , it may help a very small number but it will damage beyond repair many many more , we are well into adulthood before we really start to get grip on who and what we are as people in so many ways ( not just gender ) 

for me schools are places where children should be educated not a battleground for ideology s