Derby County v Exeter City Tuesday 25 October

[Tyler Durden]

2 minutes ago, lrm14 said:

Yet a rookie manager in Rosenior managed to get significantly better performances out of the 'stocking fillers' than the promotion specialist we brought in. Why is that?

Is that a rhetorical question?

In any case I can't answer that as you've progressed a personal opinion as gospel truth. 

[lrm14]

2 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

Is that a rhetorical question?

In any case I can't answer that as you've progressed a personal opinion as gospel truth. 

No it's a genuine question. Could you also perhaps be less condescending and patronising?

Edited October 25, 2022 by lrm14

[Tyler Durden]

3 minutes ago, lrm14 said:

No it's a genuine question. Could you also perhaps be less condescending and patronising?

I can't answer that as I don't agree with the premise you're making. 

Maybe didn't make that clear to start off which is my fault. 

[plymouthram]

47 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

58 minutes ago, plymouthram said:

Fans want to see good football, they want to see goals, they want to see wins, they want to see their team climb the table. If any of that ain't happening, they will moan, get disinetrested, stop going to games, not renew their season ticket and then the CEO, owner David Clowes and directors will smell the coffee and sack the bloke regardless of his 4 year contract. You heard it here first, this Hoofball football Warne will not complete 4 years with the club.

That's like saying the stockmarket will crash, you heard it here first.

Of course it will crash, about every 1 year out of 5, but the other 4 years it outstrips the losses it made when it bombed. 

Nostradamus has got nowt on you. 

What's football teams connection to the stockmarket. As for calling me out better than Nostradamus, that's not hard. If it is not working you fix it. Hence Liz Truss was booted out and I think the masses (fans) will vote with their support. If Warne's Hoofball is not working, then the ones in power will fix it.

[Tyler Durden]

2 minutes ago, plymouthram said:

What's football teams connection to the stockmarket. As for calling me out better than Nostradamus, that's not hard. If it is not working you fix it. Hence Liz Truss was booted out and I think the masses (fans) will vote with their support. If Warne's Hoofball is not working, then the ones in power will fix it.

Because they both are pretty much dead cert predictions. 

What % of managers last 4 years in their job? Not many. So it's no great prediction claiming to know Warne won't be in his job in 4 years time. 

[1of4]

Well the wrist slashes appear to be out in full force tonight.

At the start of the season, I like everyone else was relieved we still had a club.

I was also hoping  the team would get through this season, sitting comfortably in mid-table, without the threat of being dragged into a relegation battle, which it presently looks to be in no danger of doing. Allowing the rebuilding process to take pkace, in readiness for us to kick-on the following season.

So while I've been disappointed with some of our performances, under both Rosenior and Warne.

Overall with where we were back in June, I'll not be applying for membership of the association of wrist slashes any time soon.

[Jourdan]

Re: Rosenior v Warne

If you look at league games, there is really very little difference. Warne needs 8 points in four games to better Rosenior’s start. So far, the difference is razor thin.

Warne - two wins and a draw from his first five league games. We might have had 3-4 points more, if not for individual errors and issues with adjusting to the new set up.

Rosenior - two wins and two draws in his first five league games. On balance, we could have had 3-4 points, if we could find a goal or two.

People’s perception is probably skewed for two reasons.

One, the football purists in our fanbase were against Warne from the beginning. Any result other than a win has been met with derision. We are seeing that already.

Two, we have had a good run in the League Cup under Rosenior compared to the EFL Trophy under Warne. But in real terms, the two competitions matter very little to us.

The league is our bread and butter and our goal is promotion. Time is on our side. We still have 30+ games to figure everything out.

The way I look at it is, Rosenior had a pre season with the majority of these players, however short. The first 5-7 games under Warne have in many ways been a second pre-season and a fact finding mission.

So in that sense, is it fair to judge Warne so harshly? Surely it’s better to see where we are at the end of 2022 and whether there is any improvement...

[Rammy03]

To those Rosenior lovers, at least give Warne the same amount of games as Liam had before making hyperbolic comments.

[Rammy03]

12 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

People’s perception is probably skewed for two reasons.

One, the football purists in our fanbase were against Warne from the beginning. Any result other than a win has been met with derision. We are seeing that already.

I honestly believe this is it.

Some people had a preconceived opinion of Warne that he is some plucky 'hoofball' manager and will not move away from this view until we are winning in style.

People look back on Rosenior as the messiah because he's a nice bloke and talks well and has a purist view on football. But in reality this football was passing it about in our own half. It was border line Cocuball and I found it largely dull.

There were a lot of games under Rosenior which were equally as bad as what we're seeing at the moment. Shrewsbury and Lincoln spring to mind. We also scraped past the likes of Peterborough and Oxford. 

Now I'm not saying that the football so far under Warne has been much more enjoyable but at least give him a few more games to figure out the squad and make improvements.

[Jourdan]

3 minutes ago, Rammy03 said:

I honestly believe this is it.

Some people had a preconceived opinion of Warne that he is some plucky 'hoofball' manager and will not move away from this view until we are winning in style.

People look back on Rosenior as the messiah because he's a nice bloke and talks well and has a purist view on football. But in reality this football was passing it about in our own half. It was border line Cocuball and I found it largely dull.

There were a lot of games under Rosenior which were equally as bad as what we're seeing at the moment. Shrewsbury and Lincoln spring to mind. We also scraped past the likes of Peterborough and Oxford. 

Now I'm not saying that the football so far under Warne has been much more enjoyable but at least give him a few more games to figure out the squad and make improvements.

To be honest, I think with Rosenior, it was evident that we needed two full backs, a central midfielder and a striker.

With Warne, we need two wing backs, a centre back and a central midfielder.

So what have we learned so far? Neither manager is perfect. Neither system is perfect. We need more players.

Clowes trusted Warne with a four year contract, not Rosenior.

What did he see in his research and in his interviews that made Warne such a compelling appointment and worthy of such a long contract? Was it a mistake?

Is five league games enough time to answer those questions? Honestly, no.

People need to be patient and let the vision become clear.

[S8TY]

2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

He doesn't need to put in a 'hard tackle', he judges the play and puts his foot in to intercept wonderfully.

Hourihane just gets in his way - ask me what he does!

wake up man .....he is so  lightweight and has no pace ....he needs to be tougher and dominate more , I'm not saying he doesnt have potential but please stop saying how woeful Hourihane is because he WAS at least contributing goals before PW arrived Bird does very little I'm afraid he/we need a bruiser in there we are too lightweight in Midfield full stop !

[Will Hughes Hair]

On an exciting night at Pride Park my personal highlight was my annual purchase of a Bovril.

I’m not a big fan but once a year or so I succumb to the idea of a beefy hot beverage. It was mediocre but still a highlight.

I thought you’d want to know.

[Bris Vegas]

2 hours ago, Andicis said:

He took over a fragile side that couldn't win away. Rosenior had some pretty easy fixtures too, ones you'd expect us to win. To try and claim that there is any huge difference between the two so far is showing bias one side or the other. I think it's largely the same. Pretty inconsistent and fairly mid table so far.

We weren't close to the right balance with Rosenior. It's rose tinted glasses. We hadn't scored a goal away from home. Things are fairly meh at the moment, but I have some confidence in Warne that given some time and the right players, he can sort us out. I didn't have that with Rosenior. 

Under Rosenior we played Barnsley, Posh, Wycombe, Oxford and Plymouth at home. Took 12 points.

In easier games against Port Vale and Exeter, we gave taken 1 under Warne.

Away from home we had good wins under Warne at Cambridge and Accy. But did we really play any better than at Charlton, Shrewsbury and Fleetwood where we dominated but failed to score easy chances?

I think we have looked better under Rosenior. We battered Wycombe in his last game and had 12 shots on target. Probably more than we have had total in Warne’s past few games.

Either way, we’ve made our bed and we need to support Warne. But it’s going to be a painful watch until he gets his own players in.

[S8TY]

18 minutes ago, Will Hughes Hair said:

On an exciting night at Pride Park my personal highlight was my annual purchase of a Bovril.

I’m not a big fan but once a year or so I succumb to the idea of a beefy hot beverage. It was mediocre but still a highlight.

I thought you’d want to know.

I thought you might have bought a cup of the beefy brew for ol Trampie as its getting a bit chilly now...warm up his ol cockles 

[Ram1988]

Another poor performance from the ref again. 

[Jourdan]

8 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

Under Rosenior we played Barnsley, Posh, Wycombe, Oxford and Plymouth at home. Took 12 points.

In easier games against Port Vale and Exeter, we gave taken 1 under Warne.

Away from home we had good wins under Warne at Cambridge and Accy. But did we really play any better than at Charlton, Shrewsbury and Fleetwood where we dominated but failed to score easy chances?

I think we have looked better under Rosenior. We battered Wycombe in his last game and had 12 shots on target. Probably more than we have had total in Warne’s past few games.

Either way, we’ve made our bed and we need to support Warne. But it’s going to be a painful watch until he gets his own players in.

A painful watch?

Or perhaps having missed the luxury of pre-season, Warne is having to learn about his players in competitive games and perhaps realising at a club like ours, there is no room for error or sentiment.

Many Derby fans are wedded to the idea of attacking, possession based football. Others can see the positives of different types of football. Personally I loved the Billy Davies promotion season equally as much as the McClaren and Burley years.

Perhaps if we keep an open mind, we can see in the fullness of time whether appointing Warne was a good idea or not.

[Ambitious]

3 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

Under Rosenior we played Barnsley, Posh, Wycombe, Oxford and Plymouth at home. Took 12 points.

In easier games against Port Vale and Exeter, we gave taken 1 under Warne.

Away from home we had good wins under Warne at Cambridge and Accy. But did we really play any better than at Charlton, Shrewsbury and Fleetwood where we dominated but failed to score easy chances?

I think we have looked better under Rosenior. We battered Wycombe in his last game and had 12 shots on target. Probably more than we have had total in Warne’s past few games.

Either way, we’ve made our bed and we need to support Warne. But it’s going to be a painful watch until he gets his own players in.

Exactly this. 

I'm not sure how you can watch the period under Rosenior and the period under Warne to come to any other conclusion. It's the thing that frustrates me the most - we've seen significantly better performances from this exact group of players and it wasn't enough to stop a change in management. Now we're miles away from it.

All we can do is go along for the ride. As you say, we've made our bed now. Clowes is not about give a 46 month pay out for a couple of months work.  

[MaltRam]

Two inept teams scrapping out a dreary 0-0 overseen by appalling officials on a drab autumn night in L1. Forgettable. So forget it.

Another like that on Sat and the knives will be out though. It's not the money, it's the time. I don't have 3 hours of my life to give over to watching that s****.

[Will Hughes Hair]

49 minutes ago, S8TY said:

I thought you might have bought a cup of the beefy brew for ol Trampie as its getting a bit chilly now...warm up his ol cockles 

I’m just glad he’s permanently hammered. At least he gets to wake up in the morning with no recollection of the dross served up last night ?

[S8TY]

28 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

A painful watch?

Or perhaps having missed the luxury of pre-season, Warne is having to learn about his players in competitive games and perhaps realising at a club like ours, there is no room for error or sentiment.

Many Derby fans are wedded to the idea of attacking, possession based football. Others can see the positives of different types of football. Personally I loved the Billy Davies promotion season equally as much as the McClaren and Burley years.

Perhaps if we keep an open mind, we can see in the fullness of time whether appointing Warne was a good idea or not.

You mentioned Billy Davies and I can't say I really enjoyed the football at times but it was organised and got results so of course as fans we remember the euphoria of gaining promotion but....Billy and his methods were limited to a degree, he could not cut it in the prem for sure as was out of his depth, IMO he bottled it in the prem and his football and ideas were just not going to cut it in a higher league he was a championship manager at best.

I think PW has been brought in to get us out of L1 and even if that does not happen until next season I'm not sure whatever he builds will be particularly sustainable in the championship if he thinks like a Rotherham manager!

I know his Rovrum side were doing well but I just don't see it working here if he adopts his previous ideas with a certain limitation of what to expect as our expectations are different but saying that i do like his honesty and interviews and just really hope he sees the oppurtunity here to build a good side but not having the underdog mentality rather thinking we can dictate games because we can attract a better calibre of player than Rovrum ( no direspect intended ) 

at this moment in time we do have square pegs in round holes and he is not stupid enough to think that can continue as it is with the results and performances as performances do mirror results..... usually !

If he is to succeed here and i think he could he would have to be more flexible than je has currently shown and that is the current concern...no one is expecting NML or Barks to be amazing wing Backs so don't expect that of two players who can hurt the opposition when we are struggling generally to score enough goals 

Be brave and go for it in games because having just Osula and Dobbin as strikers with Collins out seems to lightweight to me so change it to 433 and have NML and Barks or Sibs attacking as 3 rather than two young kids being put under pressure to get goals when both have hardly played senior level pro football 

I really hope PW succeeds as he does seem a decent bloke but he will know this is not good enough with this group of players and should be doing better so its his job to get the best out of what he has until he can change certain things...but he has to think like a Derby County manager not a Rovrum Manager or the fans will get restless because expectations are very different and he will know that hopefully