OoooMarkWright Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10263765/amp/Derby-face-LIQUIDATION-unless-HMRC-agree-write-debt.html Another delightful read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Mel, it happened under your watch, just pay the debt to HMRC. This club has to survive. Zag zig, Abu Derby, CBRammette and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbles Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, enachops said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10263765/amp/Derby-face-LIQUIDATION-unless-HMRC-agree-write-debt.html Another delightful read! Obviously the Daily Mail are known for talking out their bottoms, but the article really does give more insight into potential outcomes. Scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, enachops said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10263765/amp/Derby-face-LIQUIDATION-unless-HMRC-agree-write-debt.html Another delightful read! Am I right in thinking that liquidation means HMRC get nothing? If so, are they really going to push us down that road by not accepting the deal? RoyMac5, r_wilcockson and Andicis 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Stive Pesley said: Am I right in thinking that liquidation means HMRC get nothing? If so, are they really going to push us down that road by not accepting the deal? What they lose from us they gain from future clubs making sure they never get into our state again and pay their taxes. My fear all along is the EFL are using us as ammo in their fight against the Prem and the HMRC are going to use us as an example to other clubs they won't be messed with. I would love to be reassured everything will be ok, but I think we are a lot closer to liquidation than when the administrators came in. Seth's left foot and Bubbles 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoooMarkWright Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 I know it’s the Daily Mail and has to be taken with a pinch of salt, but there have been a few murmurs over the last few days about the HMRC debt. No smoke without fire. Worrying times. A big week ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, enachops said: No smoke without fire. Without commenting on the rest of the post, this phrase will always be absolute nonsense in 95% of the times it's used. Edited December 1, 2021 by Andicis Chester40, rynny, MackworthRamIsGod and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: What they lose from us they gain from future clubs making sure they never get into our state again and pay their taxes. My fear all along is the EFL are using us as ammo in their fight against the Prem and the HMRC are going to use us as an example to other clubs they won't be messed with. I would love to be reassured everything will be ok, but I think we are a lot closer to liquidation than when the administrators came in. I share your fears. It's going to take the death of a big club to shake up the football authorities......I just didn't think it would be our club. I am seriously very worried. We need an owner in place and soon. If Mel meant all those things he said, that he wouldn't sell the club short and that by putting it into admin he intended that it would facilitate the sale.... There's one more item needed to enable an acquisition: clear the HMRC debt. Ok two: include the ground in any deal. hintonsboots and MackworthRamIsGod 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Andicis said: Without commenting on the rest of the post, this phrase will always be absolute nonsense in 95% of the times it's used. Remember when we all went absolutely mental when that Matt Hughes at the Daily Mail said we would get a 21 point penalty. Abu Derby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) Worrying stuff. Maybe Mel doesn’t have the money anymore anyway. This could be the final season for DCFC because of terrible management at the top. Maybe we need a go fund me... I’m sure some wealthy DCFC fans could help. I’m aware this wouldn’t even get close to cleaning the debt. Edited December 1, 2021 by TheresOnlyWanChope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Well admin have said there in talks with them they have not said no to the deal but not said yes eathier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 minute ago, B4ev6is said: Well admin have said there in talks with them they have not said no to the deal but not said yes eathier. This is it, it's a game of poker now and we just have to hope the administrators can play a good game. Maybe we agree to pay 25% upfront and spread x amount of a prolonged period of time or something. Who knows. Bubbles and r_wilcockson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 I can imagine the HMRC not wanting to set a precedent by accepting less than they're owed. Similarly, I can understand that with the current level of debt to HMRC and MSD, buyers are put off the cost of a deal for what will be a League One club next season. That's even if Mel/MSD were to include the ground in any deal. Therefore, a fire sale in January is starting to look more than just an inevitability but rather it is becoming more of a necessity. Scavenger clubs will take advantage of the situation but we need the best prices possible in order to reduce the debts to such an extent that the numbers look better to any potential buyer. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Derby4Me and Bubbles 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 30 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: Am I right in thinking that liquidation means HMRC get nothing? If so, are they really going to push us down that road by not accepting the deal? The state of football means that they accept a deal from us could lead to others taking a similar route. It goes both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_chop Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 It looks like liquidation is inevitable. Collymore was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Remember when we all went absolutely mental when that Matt Hughes at the Daily Mail said we would get a 21 point penalty. Yeah, that wasn't 12+9 though, it was 21 pts without Administration. If only he'd been right..... RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9580807/Potential-Derby-County-buyers-WALKING-AWAY-discovering-debts-60MILLION.html This was in May and it's absolutely spot on. By the same guy. i-Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambalin Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Nothing in that article that we have not known all along and potential buyers have not known. Has for it not making business sense, buying and owning a football club at any level never does Another poor piece of journalism from the mail just regurgitating old news. i-Ram, Crewton and r_wilcockson 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike93rh Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, enachops said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10263765/amp/Derby-face-LIQUIDATION-unless-HMRC-agree-write-debt.html Another delightful read! Cheery bed time reading. I get the point about HMRC potentially benefitting from our liquidation and forcing clubs down the line to avoid admin as a debt cutting tool. My only hope is that HMRC think few clubs will take the admin gamble deliberately, even if they see us broker a deal, and as such feel their best outcome is to recover some of what we owe now. On a personal note, how bad does it look that we as a club are having to haggle our way out of paying tax we owe. In a pandemic. Mel Morris hang your head in shame. Edited December 2, 2021 by mike93rh r_wilcockson and MackworthRamIsGod 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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