EdinRam Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Are you sure? That sounds a bit positive for you. Why not the maximum 21? 12 then we will appeal and it will drop to 6. Job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 On 11/05/2021 at 21:07, hintonsboots said: Six point penalty, reduced to three on appeal. Plus Mel has to wash Gibson’s car every Sunday for 12 months. Is that a euphemism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JfR Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Should be noted that Sheffield Wednesday's 6 point (originally 12 point) penalty was for an £18m overspend during the three-year period in question, one that the club was aware of having committed. That would seem a far more serious P&S rule break than what Derby are accused of. LeedsCityRam, gccrowdpleaser, BramcoteRam84 and 5 others 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 On 12/05/2021 at 07:26, Spanish said: sorry to nag but I would like to read this if you provide a link it would be very interesting I read it on one of the more reputable news sites that covered this, but I have no idea which one and I'm not going through all of them again LOL. But if you look at the previous punishments given out, EFL have never appealed a penalty given, only the clubs have appealed. It's similar to legal proceedings in court (although I'm not 100% sure on this one) but if an individual is prosecuted and found guilty and the judge awards a penalty, only the person who has received the penalty can appeal it, the other side (prosecution) has won. So say he gets a 5-year prison sentence, the prosecution can't appeal this and say it should be 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, rammieib said: I read it on one of the more reputable news sites that covered this, but I have no idea which one and I'm not going through all of them again LOL. But if you look at the previous punishments given out, EFL have never appealed a penalty given, only the clubs have appealed. It's similar to legal proceedings in court (although I'm not 100% sure on this one) but if an individual is prosecuted and found guilty and the judge awards a penalty, only the person who has received the penalty can appeal it, the other side (prosecution) has won. So say he gets a 5-year prison sentence, the prosecution can't appeal this and say it should be 10 years. I have seen this since. The LAP believe that they had the power to make a penalty but felt it was unfair as neither party could appeal. The EFL had to agree for it to go back to the DC. It would seem likely then that both parties could appeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTom92 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Have been pretty confident that we’d get a fine up until today. If the EFL are pushing for a points deduction this season then they’re going all out war. This effectively means next seasons a right off unless we agree to go down. Embarrassing that the EFL are actively trying to relegate a founding member. Football is really starting to show it’s true colours this season. Deej and RandomAccessMemory 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 13 hours ago, JfR said: Should be noted that Sheffield Wednesday's 6 point (originally 12 point) penalty was for an £18m overspend during the three-year period in question, one that the club was aware of having committed. That would seem a far more serious P&S rule break than what Derby are accused of. This is what I’m counting on can someone just tell me this is all going to be ok ... please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 50 minutes ago, rammieib said: I read it on one of the more reputable news sites that covered this, but I have no idea which one and I'm not going through all of them again LOL. But if you look at the previous punishments given out, EFL have never appealed a penalty given, only the clubs have appealed. It's similar to legal proceedings in court (although I'm not 100% sure on this one) but if an individual is prosecuted and found guilty and the judge awards a penalty, only the person who has received the penalty can appeal it, the other side (prosecution) has won. So say he gets a 5-year prison sentence, the prosecution can't appeal this and say it should be 10 years. This is why I don't understand the ability of the EFL to appeal the original decision The EFL was the prosecution - Bringing about a case that we did something wrong We were the defendant The DC were the 'jury' in this case - And decided that we were 'innocent' And then the prosecution were allowed to appeal the decision? Seems a bit bonkers to me Carnero and RandomAccessMemory 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 34 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: This is what I’m counting on can someone just tell me this is all going to be ok ... please This is going to be ok................................................................................................................................................................hopefully NottsRam77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, cheron85 said: This is why I don't understand the ability of the EFL to appeal the original decision The EFL was the prosecution - Bringing about a case that we did something wrong We were the defendant The DC were the 'jury' in this case - And decided that we were 'innocent' And then the prosecution were allowed to appeal the decision? Seems a bit bonkers to me if the DC had found against us you could bet your house that we would have appealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Our punishment will be to kick Bishop Brennan up the arse. AndyinLiverpool and WhiteHorseRam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandram Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 16 hours ago, EdinRam said: I reckon 12 points i reckon you steve gibson and sad by posting on here. Reggie Greenwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 What does Steve Gibson want our punishment to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteHorseRam Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I reckon 9 pts .. But if by Christmas we are on 75 pts and we're slaughtering everyone we play, there might be calls for a 'considered retrospective review' ... and a revised increased tariff* (*to be reviewed again on 1st April 2022) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, EdinRam said: Job done How very bizarre of a Derby fan to describe us receiving a points penalty as "Job done". Edited May 13, 2021 by Coconut Long Time Lurker, Reggie Greenwood, RandomAccessMemory and 2 others 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 16 hours ago, EdinRam said: 12 then we will appeal and it will drop to 6. Job done. Job done ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 17 hours ago, Charliegeorge1962 said: Possibly points reduction, I only hope it's for next season and not the last one. Any deduction would be a massive blow. If we get fans in, may be able to avoid another relegation scrap though with a few signings r_wilcockson and Charliegeorge1962 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinRam Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I'm really not, I said job done because I'm sick and tired of all this rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jram Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 3 hours ago, rammieib said: I read it on one of the more reputable news sites that covered this, but I have no idea which one and I'm not going through all of them again LOL. But if you look at the previous punishments given out, EFL have never appealed a penalty given, only the clubs have appealed. It's similar to legal proceedings in court (although I'm not 100% sure on this one) but if an individual is prosecuted and found guilty and the judge awards a penalty, only the person who has received the penalty can appeal it, the other side (prosecution) has won. So say he gets a 5-year prison sentence, the prosecution can't appeal this and say it should be 10 years. I think they can if it’s deemed unduly lenient but I don’t think the CPS would be the ones starting that process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jram Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 34 minutes ago, WhiteHorseRam said: I reckon 9 pts .. But if by Christmas we are on 75 pts and we're slaughtering everyone we play, there might be calls for a 'considered retrospective review' ... and a revised increased tariff* (*to be reviewed again on 1st April 2022) If we’re on 75 points at Christmas, I will eat my hat (@ me, screenshot me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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